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So They Lied To Us About The War In Afghanistan, Eh?
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| 01/18/2020
| Jazz Shaw
Posted on 01/18/2020 2:48:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
The surprise announcement from the Taliban that were about to sign a peace deal with them is being slightly overshadowed this week. While Im sure plenty of people have been waiting for us to pull out of that quagmire, the release of a stack of Pentagon documents regarding the war will provide even more reason for concern. Assuming this is all true (and it certainly looks legitimate), the Pentagon and the rest of the government have been lying to us for years about how much of a success the war has been. And honestly
are we really all that surprised? (WaPo)
The special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction told Congress Wednesday that U.S. officials have routinely lied to the public during the 18-year war by exaggerating progress reports and inflating statistics to create a false appearance of success.
Theres an odor of mendacity throughout the Afghanistan issue . . . mendacity and hubris, John F. Sopko said in testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. The problem is there is a disincentive, really, to tell the truth. We have created an incentive to almost require people to lie.
As an example, Sopko said U.S. officials have lied in the past about the number of Afghan children enrolled in schools a key marker of progress touted by the Obama administration even though they knew the data was bad.
So what else does the IG say theyve been lying about? Increases in life expectancy for Afghanis, increased opportunities and freedoms for women, civilian casualty numbers and even the opinions of some of our own generals on the progress being made. (At least one General was on record as saying he didnt know what we were doing in Afghanistan and that the war was likely unwinnable.)
Of course, our government has something of a history when it comes to honesty in reporting on our efforts in foreign wars. Look no further back than Vietnam. Many of the pictures painted by both the Johnson and Nixon administrations were quite rosy even after it had started to become obvious that we would never tame that country. There were equally optimistic messages about the conflict in Korea, sometimes being released even as Chinese backed forces were overrunning some of our outposts. As my father always used to tell me, bad things happen in war. But the government doesnt always like to talk about it.
When talk of the ceasefire was seriously heating up at the end of last year, I wrote about the futility of remaining in Afghanistan and the need for us to be honest with ourselves and the rest of the world. Not only honest about our plans to withdraw but about our utter failure to transform that country into anything resembling a vibrant democracy and the home to a free people.
Ill toss some props to Erick Erickson for his bleak but honest assessment of a war that has almost undeniably turned out to be a failure of each of our objectives beyond killing Osama bin Laden.
[It] turns out our military leaders do not know why we are in Afghanistan either. The government continues to be corrupt. In fact, corruption is systemic and endemic to the various tribes and political classes inside Afghanistan.
The American government failed at the core task of taking out the Taliban. The American government further failed to establish a sound government capable of taking out the Taliban after we left. We are now failing by propping up a kleptocracy that has no desire to change.
The situation already looked like a lost cause when the government was lying to us about how bad it was. The truth only reinforces that impression. The leadership in Afghanistan is corrupt, perhaps even more so than the local government in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. And that applies to the government we helped establish as well as the Taliban. Our allies in that country are riddled with people who are only awaiting the opportunity to take some of our troops out. Even some of the ones we count as reliable friends chain young boys to their beds to use as sex slaves.
Its time to go home, even knowing that the American-backed government will almost immediately collapse, the Taliban will go back on all of their promises and the country will return to how its always been. The sad truth is, we didnt wind up changing Afghanistan. But for nearly twenty years now, Afghanistan surely ended up changing us.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; pentagon; taliban
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OK, let's remind ourselves why we went to Afghanistan in the first place...
Osama Bin Ladin, who masterminded the plane attack on New York and Washington DC was being shielded by the Taliban, who governed Afghanistan under his friend, Mullah Omar.
We asked them to give him up to us so that we can being him to justice. The Taliban refused to give him up. We gave then MONTHS to respond, they still refused.
What were we supposed to do? Just let him go?
Now, we took out the Taliban and installed a government. Should we get the heck out of there now?
To: SeekAndFind
What has it cost us in terms of irreplaceable lives and treasure?
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posted on
01/18/2020 2:57:23 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
To: SeekAndFind
Any war we do not fight WWII style (TOTAL NO-HOLDS-BARRED ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT TILL UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER) is “unwinnable” which is why all of them since WWII have never really been “won”.
Also, America should never enter a war it will not make a WWII style commitment to.
Had we committed to defeating the Taliban on the level we committed to defeating Germany and Japan our military would have had to take the war massively to the territory of Pakistan as well - which has been nothing less than a safe haven for the Taliban (not to forget they also gave final refuge to Bin Laden. Could any U.S. president have obtained that level of commitment against the Taliban? Very doubtful. So that war was never “winnable” from the start.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:00:51 PM PST
by
Wuli
To: SeekAndFind
Dubya (Bush) initially went into Afghanistan to get UBL (Osama). Dubya had a chance to get him as intelligence had pinpointed UBL’s location in the Afgan mountains. The military was poised an ready to take him out. Bush demurred and UBL got away. The rest of Dubya’s sad administration was downhill from there.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:00:51 PM PST
by
Jim W N
(MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
To: SeekAndFind
Somewhere there is a Democrat making money off us being there.
To: SeekAndFind
The war was lost when George W Bush, having defeated Al Qaeda on the ground, proceeded to try and turn Afghans into little Americans.
And then similar in Iraq.
You never win hearts and minds. Never.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:03:04 PM PST
by
Salman
(It's not a slippery slope when it was always their goal.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:03:07 PM PST
by
keving
(We the government)
To: SeekAndFind
We should have sent 150.000 soldiers to Afghanistan and shut it down for business.
Instead bush, who was in bed so much with the sauds I’m surprised he didn’t get pregnant by them, sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers to take out a tin pot joke of a dictator.
Not having enough troops to secure borders and letting Iran get away with the incursions was a disgrace.
Billions and billions and billions in graft, and really nothing to show for the war except 10s of thousands of brain injured soldiers.
And Iran finally finding a way to get into Iraq for good.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:03:49 PM PST
by
dp0622
(Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
To: SeekAndFind
We went in to get Bin Laden. He has been dead for a while; killed next door in Pakistan. Bid Laden doesn’t explain why we are still there. We are now have fighting men on both sides who were not born when this war started. What force keeps this thing going? Whatever or whoever it is, it needs to be removed from its position of influence.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:04:10 PM PST
by
cdcdawg
(Cornpop was a bad dude!)
To: SeekAndFind
Any half-way intelligent person wasnt lied to. The mountains and muslim troglodytes of Afghanistan defeated the British and the Russians. Did anyone seriously believe that Afghanistan, of all places, would be where US Fed.gov imposed democracy would be successful?
Yes, the hunt for Bin-Laden was justified, but beyond that, the rational response to Islamic terror would have simply been a complete and total travel ban on anyone from any Mideast, North African, or South Asian Muslim nation.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:04:16 PM PST
by
PGR88
To: SeekAndFind
Sure, why not?
Bin Laden is dead.
We make it clear to whoever is in charge that if we detect even a whiff of a terrorist training camp in the country that we will immediately respond with appropriate force (from the sky).
I understand that the military industrial complex has its interest in maintaining the unending wars, and I understand that the creed of the American Interventionist is to continually claim that we can win "this one" (we just need an infinite amount of time, money, and American blood), but I do think that after more than eighteen years without a clear victory, it's time to go.
To: SeekAndFind
Our government will never stop this sh!t as long as there are Americans who are naive enough or dumb enough to fight these stupid wars. Theres really nothing else to say about it.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:07:37 PM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
To: SeekAndFind
Our original rationale for staying after the American army slaughtered thousands of Taliban and overthrew the Taliban government was supposedly because our “intelligence” services said Bin Laden was still somewhere in in Afghanistan. Somehow, just somehow, our crack , politicized CIA failed to determine that Bin Laden was comfortably domiciled in Pakistan. What’s more he was living rather openly in the town that housed their military academy and where many senior retired Pakistani officers lived. Meanwhile our soldiers were getting killed, physically and psychologically maimed fighting the war near and dear to the hearts of all globalists. The whole entanglement stinks.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:08:30 PM PST
by
allendale
(.)
To: allendale
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:21:19 PM PST
by
Aria
To: SeekAndFind
Oh Afghanistan has changed,, when we first got there generations of men couldnt get their wives pregnant because they only knew one way to have sex, like their elders had been with them since they were young.... there are two or three generations who understand whats been going on there and those will be the Afghans that rise there , Im sure of it. It was complete enslavement , willfully overlooked generations,, its why the communist admire them so much ,, at least thats one reason Im sure , praying for Afghanistan indeed
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:26:17 PM PST
by
Callnote
(Solid state is the way to go!)
To: Salman
Must be something in the water in Texas. LBJ thought the same about the Vietnamese.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:28:03 PM PST
by
Tallguy
(Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
To: Captain Walker
“We make it clear to whoever is in charge that if we detect even a whiff of a terrorist training camp in the country that we will immediately respond with appropriate force (from the sky).”
I’m in agreement, but I’m not optimistic about the intelligence agencies to discern anything except a threat from out own president. None of them foresaw the fall of the Berlin Wall, or the collapse of the Soviet Union. And they told us if we played real nice with the PRC that they’d liberalize their society. 3 strikes and yer out.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:33:54 PM PST
by
Tallguy
(Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
To: SeekAndFind
Now, we took out the Taliban and installed a government. Should we get the heck out of there now? YES! Get the eff out now.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:35:25 PM PST
by
Go Gordon
(I gave my dog Grady a last name - Trump - because he loves tweets.)
To: Go Gordon
The key to defeating the Taliban lies in Pakistan, where its bases are. There will always be more Taliban so long as their source bases in Pakistan, which recruit new members, are not shut down.
Otherwise, we are just fighting one wave after another, and like the sorcerer’s apprentice, they will never cease coming.
To: SeekAndFind
Given that our excuse to attack the taliban is gone ( shielding Bin Laden) is dead and gone, our entire rationale for Afghanistan should be under public review.
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posted on
01/18/2020 3:54:45 PM PST
by
silverleaf
(Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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