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Full title: Democratic Rep Blames Trump for 'Collateral Damage' of Ukraine Plane Crash, Urges Diplomacy With Iran Rather Than Military Strikes

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Jackie Speier fits in very well in the insane asylum of California.

1 posted on 01/10/2020 2:58:48 AM PST by a little elbow grease
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Diplomacy with Iran means that they lie to you and you give them money. They agree not to commit terrorism while committing terrorism.


2 posted on 01/10/2020 3:08:59 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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Soleimani was a bad actor," said Speier. "But..."

There's always a "but" with these treasonous lunatics.

3 posted on 01/10/2020 3:24:45 AM PST by Salvey
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Ukrainian plane shot down with blood money provided by the Obama Administration, there fixed it!


5 posted on 01/10/2020 3:37:49 AM PST by wetgundog
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100% predictable, “ It’s Trump’s fault “


6 posted on 01/10/2020 3:44:19 AM PST by Ikeon (Never give aid to an enemy while they are screwing themselves.)
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U.S. Representative Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) claimed Thursday that President Donald Trump could be to blame for the fatal crash of a Ukraine passenger jet in Iran on Wednesday, due to "collateral damage" caused by his "provocative" killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani.

If I needed another reason to hate demonRATS, this one would fill the bill.

Trump did it.

8 posted on 01/10/2020 3:51:07 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist mooselimb savages, today.)
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Why the heck did that plane have clearance to leave? What pilot in their right mind would take that risk?


9 posted on 01/10/2020 3:53:11 AM PST by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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Donald Trump is responsible for Iran shooting down the Ukrainian plane because he didn’t go back in time and stop Obama from giving Iran $150 billion with which it bought the missile that Iran used to shoot down that plane.


11 posted on 01/10/2020 3:57:26 AM PST by Redmen4ever (u)
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Let’s do a little math.

150B in unfrozen assets + 170B cash in unmarked bills = 220B

The missile system that brought down the Ukraine plane cost 700M.

Iran can afford to purchase 314 missile systems.

OR

Iran has an 80M dollar price tag on Trump’s head.

Iran can afford to put a bounty on an additional 2749 western leaders.

That’s how bad the situation is.

Iran can afford to pay for nuclear arms and missile testing at Kim Jong Un’s North Korean Proving Grounds.

Kerry and Obama and all involved should hang publicly.

Saw John Kerry on TV yesterday pretending to be offended.

It was sickening.


12 posted on 01/10/2020 3:59:22 AM PST by Eddie01
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One more proving Democrats are lunatics howling at the moon


13 posted on 01/10/2020 4:06:04 AM PST by okie 54
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Iran declared war on the U.S. in 1979, and we are still in a state of war.

Speier is providing aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.

We used to hang traitors. Where is Barr when you need him?

14 posted on 01/10/2020 4:08:13 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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If what some Dems say is true and Trump wagged the dog and killed that Iranian guy to get the topic off impeachment then Pelosi is ultimately responsible for the shoot down deaths.


15 posted on 01/10/2020 4:09:24 AM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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Jackie Spier is the collateral damage California’s lunacy has inflicted upon the rest of the nation.


16 posted on 01/10/2020 4:14:42 AM PST by FlipWilson
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Hitler at the very end of his rope said: “Speier will save us and make a breakthrough.”


17 posted on 01/10/2020 4:15:01 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (MAGA!)
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In any form of negotiation, if you don’t know what your leverage is versus what your opponent’s are, then you are being negligent to yourself.

In diplomacy, if you communicate without leverage (whether you truly have it or not), then you are not going to be able to arrive at the optimal agreement for both sides of the table. You’d be negligent to the side that you represent.

If you don’t have leverage, you either find it in whatever way you can (alliances, exposing opponent weaknesses, etc) or you bluff that you have some. In the world of the bluff, credibility becomes the key.

Now, the U.S. doesn’t have to prove the capabilities that it possesses nor leverage and advantages it can use, but oddly enough, the U.S. seems to have a credibility problem in it’s diplomacy with actors like Iran.

Why?

The answer is internal political weakness, and even subterfuge.

When people on the right claim that the left and the media really would prefer that this country be hurt over Trump being successful in his job, it is not hyperbole, even though it sounds like it.

We do not have credibility in our forms of diplomacy with Iran because we have demonstrated that we are willing to both fail to respond to attack as well as to generally appease, many times in the past.

When you don’t negotiate with a clear strategy, not only are you selling yourself short, but you are confusing your opponent. You are not giving him clear signs about where they stand and how their options can work for them.


18 posted on 01/10/2020 4:29:14 AM PST by z3n
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better to blame the Democrats and Pelosi. They impeached the President and Soleimani thought he could no longer respond to provocation. He was wrong. The Democrats are traitors. Let our cry be, “Remember 1979.”


20 posted on 01/10/2020 4:47:42 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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Jackie Speier must be getting talking points direct from Iranian regime


21 posted on 01/10/2020 4:47:54 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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Jackie Speier in a dangerous enemy and must die for his traitorous statements


23 posted on 01/10/2020 5:03:37 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Crap like this is why the Executive is responsible for the military.


24 posted on 01/10/2020 5:07:45 AM PST by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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How can anyone support the Democrat liars that side with evil terrorist Iran against our country?

The Democrat party supports terrorists. May their evil ways be fully exposed.


27 posted on 01/10/2020 5:10:21 AM PST by ADSUM
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Since Epstein didn’t kill himself, I’ve got to ask: Who was on that Ukrainian plane? Was there someone onboard that aircraft that our superiors in the D. C. degenerate caucus needed to disappear? Were the Iranians running protection for JF’nKerry? Nancy? Joe? I don’t feel even the least little bit like a paranoid loon asking that kinda question anymore. I think there’s there there, and I wanna know.


29 posted on 01/10/2020 5:14:22 AM PST by Churchjack
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