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To: RoosterRedux

You’re absolutely right. One good thing about Saddam, the Shah of Iran, and some of the other military dictators in the Mideast is that they recognized women had rights in society, that religious minorities deserved protection, and that Islamist extremism was a threat to them and could not be allowed to obtain power. Thus, it was idiotic that Cheney believed that Saddam was in cahoots with AlQaeda, they were far more of an immediate threat to him than to us. I don’t think GW Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or the lot of them here had the slightest appreciation for this and as usual, out touted CIA was a total flop; they relied on the opinions of exiled crooks like Ahmed Chalabi who had no public support in Iraq. The result was that a public opinion poll in Iraq a couple of years after the US invasion of Iraq showed that the US had all of 2 percent public approval for what it had done.


27 posted on 12/31/2019 3:21:45 AM PST by laconic
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To: laconic; RoosterRedux

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. had all the lessons of Vietnam right in front of them. LBJ also had tried to pacify a far-away Asian country, and failed.

Bush ignored those lessons, and repeated LBJ’s mistakes in both Afghanistan and in Iraq. Restrictive rules of engagement were put in place. Winning hearts-and-minds became the main priority, etc. Were Bush and company stupid? Or is it better explained by arrogance?

I remember reading about a Iraq strategy meeting chaired by Rumsfeld. It was held shortly before the invasion. An Air Force general suggested that plans be drawn up to counter any possible insurgency.

Rumsfeld said that the next person who mentioned a possible insurgency would be fired.


41 posted on 12/31/2019 3:59:25 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: laconic

You’re absolutely right. One good thing about Saddam, the Shah of Iran, and some of the other military dictators in the Mideast is that they recognized women had rights in society, that religious minorities deserved protection, and that Islamist extremism was a threat to them ...


And going back a little further in time Afghanistan was once ruled by a king, Mohammed Zahir Shah, who was trying to modernize his backwards country. Of course he was bitterly opposed by the mullahs. Women in Kabul actually openly dressed in modern style and could do things like attend the university. Like the Shah of Iran, he was eventually overthrown and Afghanistan is now back in the 7th century once more. One isn’t allowed to say it, but the problem is Islam.


102 posted on 12/31/2019 6:24:31 AM PST by hanamizu
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