Posted on 12/20/2019 2:45:05 PM PST by bryan999
Nice to see POTUS retweet someone that picked up my exact wording of the thread this morning (@incarcerated_ET).
There is a specific ongoing FR thread where someone like @incarerated_ET would check on. It’s not a far stretch that a thread with TRUMP IS NOT IMPEACHED in caps was viewed, picked up, put in a tweet and then passed up the chain where it was eventually retweeted by POTUS this morning.
We can all play an important part. President Trump’s White House scours the internet and and passes on good points. It’s like market research to the White House folks.
I am not surprised to see this was picked up. He has people watching all the time and people that are picked up are amazed to see how he found them, noticed them. For example, Paul Joseph Watson, David J. Harris Jr. , Terrence Williams, and so many others, are in shock when they are told POTUS retweeted them. Some of the really good ones get invited to the White House. Terrence was.
Of course, once the Senate receives the impeachment, it can judge it on matters such as timeliness and House procedure.
However, until receives it, it doesn’t exist for them.
And that’s good. We don’t need them making trouble for each other (which is precisely the destructive thing Nancy is doing).
Well I wasn’t saying it is a 6A imperative, only that the principle exists in the law and the Constitution. A principle of equity would dictate similar consideration for an impeachment. More importantly is the gravity of the process. Many of the Demagogues said over and over on the House floor that POTUS is a “grave threat” to the Republic and that is why he must be impeached and removed.
And I know that has been hashed around already this week - if it is such a grave threat why would they be so hypocritical to delay his removal? But my point is slightly different - that even if the House wants to play games the Senate doesn’t have to play along.
Ultimately this is all political gamesmanship. Pelosi is using the Senate rules against the Senate. Because the rules say they won’t hold a trial until the managers are appointed and the articles filed, they allow Pelosi and the Democrats to hog the spotlight and control the narrative. Once they hand this off to the Senate they lose control of both. In fact, they have been running the narrative for years now first with Russia Hoax Mueller and now with this ridiculousness. So I say strip that power from her and change the rules, and make her pay a political price. Put a strict timetable on it, and eliminate “managers” and require that only the Speaker can present the case on the floor of the Senate. Then see how long she stays on as Speaker.
It would be fun to pass a motion in the Senate that the articles must be submitted and the managers named by January 7 or they are dreamed dismissed. Ruin their holiday.
I agree to a point. Until they receive it they shouldn’t waste their time on it. This seems to be McConnell’s angle too. He’s not going to set the rules until he has something to set the rules for.
But I say this is a unique situation. It is an abuse of the power of impeachment. Pelosi is using the Senate rules to control the narrative and hog the spotlight all for political ends. The House Dems are doing what the framer’s expressly tried to avoid - playing politics with impeachment. The GOP should respond in kind and my angle is they have a way to threaten Pelosi’s Speakership as a price for her brinksmanship. There is no reason to let her keep the spotlight, for principle and for political reasons they need to take control.
Yeah, it’s a sad charade.
If Trump is “impeached” in the public’s view, what else matters. It’s all just a show for the Dems and the media.
In my view, it isn't senate rules that cause this. That the tribunal waits for cases to be brought to it is axiomatic. Courts don't go looking for plaintiffs or defendants. Courts are open in case a plaintiff or defendant wants to avail of court process.
Senate is open in case house wants to avail of senate impeachment trial process.
The house does not lose control of its case. It is allowed to present it with full vigor. What it can't control is the outcome in court. The house knows the general lay of the senate process, just like plaintiffs know the general lay of civil procedure, and defendant lawyers know criminal procedure.
Ultimately, all this plays to the public. Pelosi has the hot potatoe. Can she handle it? It's all hers, coupled with all the 1st amendment speech coming her way.
She's stuck with the senate she has. Of course she is going to call it corrupt. The institutions are broken. Maybe changing the players will make them better.
IS the act of “sending it to the Senate” or even formally notifying the Whitehouse similar to serving the other party? I’ve been served improperly, showed up, told the judge who/how I was served and the judge threw out the case. If I had never been served and never showed up, it would also be eventually dismissed.
Yeah, imo by my reading of the Constitution he is “impeached”. And I think the public largely views it that way too, the arguments about filing the articles / process notwithstanding - those are not Constitutional questions but process and law questions.
It is a very sad charade indeed. McConnell seems to have a good read on it. I am not criticizing him. My opinion is simply I’ve had enough, I’ve had it up to here. The Democrats have been on full auto assault against Trump since the spring of 2016, using every tool in the arsenal including the CIA, FBI, State Department, Special Counsel, the “immigration cages” that Obama built, even spies and plants inside the White House and Trump campaigns, and now this Ukraine Hoax and impeachment. Nobody has paid a price for it.
Time to take the gloves off.
Excellent observation goldstate!
Supported by the (lack of) facts/evidence.
Could we find out if we put Nancy in a box
for two years?
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This is why Mcconnell should have answered “he’s not impeached yet”. “Why are you asking a hypothetical question?” Instead he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
Merry Christmas!
Best reasoning I’ve heard so far.
The longer this goes on, the worse it is for the demokraps.
They have made their “impeachment” contingent on the rules adopted by the Senate. I hope McConnell doesn’t fall into their trap. His position should be that the Senate is expending no energy on the rules of impeachment until something is actually sent over from the House.
I don’t disagree with what you wrote.
However, I do think Pelosi is using the Senate rules to her advantage for the reasons you (and mrssmith) spelled out. The Senate won’t take it up until it is formally submitted.
And that is Pelosi’s only advantage. It allows her to drag this out, to do a “rolling impeachment”, it allows her and Schumer to call out McConnell and the Senate, it lets her and the Democrats keep the spotlight and the narrative, and it allows the Democrats to interfere with the 2020 election by putting a new cloud over the Trump presidency.
My thinking is, they think they won the House in 2018 because the Mueller Russia Hoax was a cloud over Trump. So they concocted this Ukraine Hoax and impeachment for the same purposes.
It is only because of the existing rules that she can get away with dragging it out. (And who knows, maybe other political pressures will force her to move). It may be bad precedent to change the rules (though, they have been changed before, and they can be changed again) and I surely understand McConnell’s reluctance to do much. But doing nothing gives Pelosi more power than she deserves.
Of course they can and will vigorously prosecute the case, to the extent they are able. And I don’t argue they manipulate the procedures of the trial. But they do have the Sole Power over the rules and that is where Pelosi is currently playing, and where McConnell can act to take it away from her.
The DEMs are using the House to call the senate corrupt, and the GOP is using the senate to ridicule the House and it's stupid impeachment case.
The public is watching, sort of.
I love it. Have Mcconnell be the senate defense. Would be interesting.
Thank you!
I’m very gratified.
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