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To: lonestar67

Sorry but just not true. 20-30% among black men, 4% among black women in OVERLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZES... do not equate to a 20 or 30% support..

I’ve run the numbers folks, if you think Trump is going to get 20% black support in the 2020 election you are deluding yourselves.

I have ever confidence Trump will get a better percentage in 20 than 16, but the idea that he’s going to get 20 to 30% of the black vote is just self delusion.

Trump Outperformed Romney with both blacks and hispanics in 2016... and that was with 8% of the black vote and 28% of the hispanic vote.

He will improve on those numbers, but believe me he’s not getting 20% of the black vote nationally...

When you show me a national poll of 600+ black likely voters, that shows you a 20% or more support for Trump then you have something to talk about... anything smaller than that... and you are fooling yourselves.

There are about 40,000,000 blacks in this country, to get a poll with a margin of error of +/- 3% you need to poll at least 600 people with a good random distribution to get a 95% confidence level.

Until you see a poll like that published... You are seeing nothing more than people jumping to conclusions who do not understand polling, statistics or mathematics.

For Trump get 20% black support, would be a tidal wave... you wouldn’t need a poll to see it.

Trump got 11% support from blacks in TX in2016.. 3 points above where he wound up nationally.

TX overall is little under 12% AA, and DALLAS is about 24% AA... With 11% support, even with no movement from 2016, One would expect a good turnout in Dallas to see Trump.

Folks really need to get better acquainted with mathematics before they make ridiculous claims.

Trump will and should do better with AA’s than he did in 16, but he’s not going to pull 20%... not even close. He will likely be on the higher end of a typical GOP candidate, 10-12%... but he’s not going to get 20% of the black vote.. folks are deluding themselves that think that way.


26 posted on 12/16/2019 2:24:13 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I wonder what would happen if Trump shows up at one of Kanye West’s revival meetings — like the one happening next year with Joel Osteen in a big arena in NJ or NY?


48 posted on 12/16/2019 4:36:49 PM PST by poconopundit (Will Kamel Harass pay reparations? Her ancestors were black Slave Owners in Jamaica.)
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To: HamiltonJay

No.

Here is an example of the oversampling aimed at your argument.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/black-voter-support-for-trump-at-highest-levels-could-seal-2020-win?_amp=true

And yes all of this polling is push polling aimed at increasing thinkability.

At this point in the election it is unethical to play the unrealistic card.

Trump being elected was unrealistic.

Blacks are lied to all the time to increase Democrat affiliation.

We should publicly encourage belief in these polls.

This kind of bogus realism has infuriated me at FR every election.


50 posted on 12/16/2019 8:27:34 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: HamiltonJay

exactly-IF he got to 12% AA vote it would be outstanding, the AA vote Romney got was probably a little lower based on the fact that many blacks wanted to vote for a black for president. So I would say 10% would be good, Looking at larger polls of blacks that show 60% say president Trump is racist and the black vote in 2018 was solidly Dem. I wish it was true but lots of work to be done before this happens


53 posted on 01/17/2020 8:04:51 PM PST by TECTopcat (TopCat)
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