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Did Schiff Poke a Hole in the First Amendment?
New York Times ^ | December 16, 2019 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 12/16/2019 10:28:32 AM PST by karpov

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[I]n revealing whom Mr. Solomon talked with, and when, Mr. Schiff and his committee have created a new pathway for the government to find and reveal a reporter’s sources and to question his or her motives. That is wrong. The legislative branch should not use its subpoena power to police journalism.

Mr. Schiff’s pathway could easily be considered a precedent. And the government does not need more encouragement to out a journalist’s sources. The executive branch, in the institutions of the Department of Justice and the F.B.I., has used metadata — call records and routing information not protected by the Fourth Amendment — to document reporters’ contacts with their sources in a number of cases in which the source has subsequently been imprisoned. The public interest case for prosecuting leakers is easy to make. But we should note that the government’s obligation to protect national security and a reporter’s duty to uncover abuses of executive power often clash. Whom you side with at those junctures depends on which tribe you belong to. I’m a journalist, so I often side with the journalists.

I do have a big problem when journalists wittingly or unwittingly collude with foreign governments to degrade the institutions of democracy that we rely on. And while I’m tempted to assert that Congress has no business ever poking its nose into reporting, I can’t deny the circumstances that collided here; Mr. Solomon is part of this story. But to deny him any First Amendment protection of his work is to fail to see beyond the immediate ramifications of Mr. Schiff’s decision. If Republicans regain control of the House, what would prevent them from using the same tactic to pummel the press for stories its members don’t like?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 1st; 1stamendment; billofrights; coup; firstamendment; impeach; johnsolomon; marcambinder; schiff

1 posted on 12/16/2019 10:28:32 AM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

I love their alternative headline....

We can’t excuse an abuse of power just because it supports our side.

Ha! When even the Slimes acknowledges wrongdoing on the part of Schiff For Brains - you know the House Rats screwed up.


2 posted on 12/16/2019 10:34:53 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: karpov

Junk article, saw NY Slimes as a source and rolled on...

I have better ways to waste time than by feeding their coffers and giving their website hits that they can monetize


3 posted on 12/16/2019 10:35:38 AM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: karpov

The litmus test on such issues is to reverse certain attributes of the involved parties.

For instance, reverse the races of all the principles in the OJ trial, then see what kind of verdict you get.

In this case, imagine the Republicans releasing the phone records of an important Rat gerbilist. That would certainly precipitate a much louder and widespread wailing and gnashing of teeth among our elite gatekeepers than this puny NYTimes article.


4 posted on 12/16/2019 10:36:31 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: karpov

Poor NYT propagandist. He’s conflicted over cheering for Schiff and the fear that one day, the tables will be turned.


5 posted on 12/16/2019 10:36:47 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: 100American

What we may be seeing is the NYT in panic as they begin to read the tea leaves for the 2020 election. If Trump wins and his coattails pull a majority in the House and Senate, won’t Congressional committees be trying to uncover the treasonous actions of the NYT? What if all their phone records become known?


6 posted on 12/16/2019 10:41:16 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: karpov
a reporter’s duty to uncover abuses of executive power often clash.

Doody is the only thing they reported about the usurper!

7 posted on 12/16/2019 10:44:14 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfuAJcWl6DE Kill a Commie for Mommie)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This piece is posted in the New York Times. The NYT is one of the propaganda arms of the Democratic Party, so you know every Democrat sh!t-bag in Washington has the NYT on speed dial.


8 posted on 12/16/2019 10:51:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I was just reading today someone hypothesis that this impeachment FUBAR was no accident or mistake on behalf of House Rats.

They know it won’t pass the Senate. They’ve always known that. So why? Why did they proceed with this farce?

Answer: To throw Biden under the bus. Rats KNOW he would be their worst candidate. And so this impeachment party was just their way of sealing the deal for Bernie or warren.

And the MSM is on this this “secret”.


9 posted on 12/16/2019 10:59:27 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: karpov

Well, former AG and federal judge Michael Mukasey seems to believe that Schiff actually broke the law in subpoenaing those phone records. Mukasey maintains that Congress does not have the authority to subpoena phone records.


10 posted on 12/16/2019 11:07:15 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: karpov

Mr Soloman is one of the very few real journalist left. He simply pieced together all the documentation you toadies in the Democrat Fascist party Fake News are busy trying to suppress


11 posted on 12/16/2019 11:13:29 AM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: karpov
Dear Neo Facist Proapgand scum at the NY Slines Your job is to uncover the facts and report them to the people. You have NO BUSINESS saying this statement if you were actual Journalists instead of subservient Democrat Fascist Party propaganda whores >a reporter’s duty to uncover abuses of executive power often clash.
12 posted on 12/16/2019 11:15:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Freedom of the Press clause in the Constitution is moot these days.


13 posted on 12/16/2019 11:18:21 AM PST by arthurus (ghro.li.c---|||iiilll)
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To: karpov

I think the original headline was:

Did Schiff Poke the First young boy he saw?


14 posted on 12/16/2019 11:29:36 AM PST by ProudVet97
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To: karpov

Both the Atlantic and the New York Times seem to be a having second thoughts.


15 posted on 12/16/2019 12:15:15 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Well stated!

That is precisely what they fear is exposure as the propaganda ministry arm of the deep state pushing from their perch the Open Society (George Soros) plan to unify all Governments around the world to his desire. We all know how we can switch channels nightly and see and hear virtually the identical slant to the “news” which is given to the outlets every day at 4AM telling them what to say.

All of that is coming to an end, but it took well over a century to get the foundations down and the plan in execution. There are no quick fixes, and I applaud President Trump for his fastidious nature and understanding that this is a broad and deep effort with many moving parts. The State Department is the one that took the funds and used them to subvert Governments globally supporting efforts to replace them in some cases or in others support them in their common “Sorosian” plan

The battle is on and it is Global, and Trump is working to remove the funding that feeds the engine and we must stand with him in this effort

As it says A House divided against itself cannot stand, and the Democratic Socialists have this in mind as part of their plan

Sic Semper Tyrranis!


16 posted on 12/16/2019 12:22:42 PM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: Mercat

Corbyn getting crushed in the UK elections seems to have gotten their attention. ;-)


17 posted on 12/16/2019 12:32:07 PM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: karpov
The executive branch, in the institutions of the Department of Justice and the F.B.I., has used metadata — call records and routing information not protected by the Fourth Amendment — to document reporters’ contacts with their sources in a number of cases in which the source has subsequently been imprisoned.

This is the legacy of James Comey, who also wanted to give the government backdoor access to everyone's smartphones, on the pretext that the FBI needed access to mass shooters' smartphones, poking a hole in the Fourth Amendment as well.

18 posted on 12/16/2019 12:43:41 PM PST by Fedora
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To: karpov

NYTimes: Adam Schiff... we were ‘with you’ right up until the time that you went for that reporter’s phone records.


19 posted on 12/16/2019 1:56:23 PM PST by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: karpov

A Schiff hole.


20 posted on 12/17/2019 10:41:54 PM PST by jospehm20
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