As long as Afghanistan continues to be a major source of illegal heroin, with the aid and comfort of its corrupt government and “terrorists” the need for a US and allied presence will continue. While Agent Orange and Roundup have been identified as unsafe, and rightfully out of use, there are other agents that could destroy major portions of the poppy fields openly cultivated to produce heroin that is destroying major populations while funding the Islamic war of conquest. There is the same problem with cocaine in South American countries that permit unrestricted cultivation. Drugs are just another weapon in the war conducted by international terrorists.
Leaving Afghanistan to fall to total muslim control is leaving it to gain economic and extra-military strength to take their war to us; both through drugs and terrorism..
So we’re just cops there. Our people getting killed for what? England tried it way back in 1860’s and Russia now us.
Afghanistan has been at war for 40 years. It’s not going to change any time soon.
Never is a long long time.
There hasn’t been a single army since and including the army of Alexander the Great, that has been successful in Afghanistan.
We need to bring our people home and abandon that hell hole to the natives.
Just bring in every drum of agent orange and roundup and make sure the poppies can’t grow, then leave.
The first round of Crusades lasted 196 years. And when they were over the result was the same as the beginning situation. Except that the original crusaders did not bring smelly people back with them.
The only practical solution that would produce desirable results would involve massive genocide. Containment seems to be a better alternative. That means we get out and keep them away from us.
If we can never leave then we should take over and start mining the crap out of the place. Mining might provide jobs for these fourth century heathens and start the process of giving them a reason (other than killing) to live.
I thought I saw that 4,000 troops are being withdrawn from there in the next week.
Agree. The only solution is to provide 90 days warning and then turn the place into a radiated hell so that it is uninhabitable for 300 years. Then tell NORK fatboy that he will be next.
It’s the fatalistic teachings of the Koran.
No western country has the stomach to do what would be required to uproot that underlying culture.
Of course, our idiot representatives think importing that sh*t is great for their re-election.
History teaches us that no outside power stays in Afghanistan. The Brits fought four wars, they didn’t stay; the USSR gave it a try, they didn’t stay long; we too will leave. Afghanistan won’t be “stabilized”, won’t change, won’t become modern. They will remain backwards, growing their poppies, sending their boys to madrases to memorize the Koran, murdering their inconvenient daughters and playing buzkashi, a polo-type game involving a goat or calf carcass.
We aren’t going to fix it. It’s not, IMHO, worth the blood or treasure to try.
The Washington Times is reporting that President Trump is
allegedly going to pull 4000 troops out out the 12-13,000
stationed in Afghanistan.
But there is something that can create stability over there without is. It’s called “Russia”. Let them waste their time and money, and not us. The uncivilized apes in that region will never be pacified. They don’t want to be. They like it being a s***hole. Not our circus, and not our monkeys.
Comparison between Afghanistan and the Soviet Union is absurd. Soviet Union leaders had some semblance of sanity. If we leave then maybe not tomorrow or even next year or five years from now but sooner or later the bad guys will gain power and Afghanistan will be another Iran problem worrying about them producing nuclea Warheads
At least we are there to put out any fires before they get too big.
They also likely stop Terror plots before they get too far along.
I think we underestimate how much we are doing over there.
As bad as the worst neighborhoods here are, it would be much worse without police functioning there. Not a great comparison but the best I can think of.
Comparison between Afghanistan and the Soviet Union is absurd. Soviet Union leaders had some semblance of sanity. If we leave then maybe not tomorrow or even next year or five years from now but sooner or later the bad guys will gain power and Afghanistan will be another Iran problem worrying about them producing nuclea Warheads
At least we are there to put out any fires before they get too big.
They also likely stop Terror plots before they get too far along.
I think we underestimate how much we are doing over there.
As bad as the worst neighborhoods here are, it would be much worse without police functioning there. Not a great comparison but the best I can think of.
The problem with the war in Afghanistan,Korea and Vietnam was the confusion over the mission. War is for decimating your enemy and leaving them incapable of waging war for the foreseeable future. Nation building, spreading democracy or passing out the rice and beans can never and will never lead to victory.
Nuts. We should have let USSR stay there forever.
[What would be contained today would be jihadis: we would focus our efforts on preventing them from ever leaving Afghanistan and sowing mayhem anywhere else, while giving up our quixotic aspirations of Wilsonian nation-building. Accompany that with a robust and unapologetic affirmation of American values (freedom of speech, equality of rights of women, etc.) instead of the support we have given to Sharia in Afghanistan (and previously in Iraq), and an honest acknowledgment of the motivating ideology behind jihad activity, and we might actually start getting somewhere. ]