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Horowitz testimony: Live thread
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Posted on 12/11/2019 5:41:08 AM PST by janetjanet998

10 am at the Senate Committee on the Judiciary hearing: “Examining the Inspector General’s Report on Alleged Abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”


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To: GOPJ

durbin blaming Comey for Clinton losing


421 posted on 12/11/2019 10:19:05 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Durbin sounds somewhat sane today. Sure it won’t last.


422 posted on 12/11/2019 10:19:28 AM PST by JerseyDvl ("If you're going through hell, keep going.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Horowitz has the unenviable job of investigating the FBI and carrying their water. I am grateful for what he has provided imperfect as it is. If we didn't have the IG reports we would know exactly nothing right now. It would have all been swept under the rug.

Durham has the power to coerce those that are not current Justice Department employees. He has a Grand Jury. Let's wait and see what they come up with.

423 posted on 12/11/2019 10:23:19 AM PST by Smogger
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To: Smogger

Thank you for the clear thinking post.


424 posted on 12/11/2019 10:23:45 AM PST by laplata (He's an evil bastard.minds.)
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To: RummyChick

I’ve always felt Ed Rendell didn’t have enough ballot boxes stuffed in Rust Belt States... And his underestimation caused Hillary to lose. But I have ZERO evidence - pure ‘feeling’...


425 posted on 12/11/2019 10:26:45 AM PST by GOPJ (Enemy combatants have more rights than kangaroo Courts give our President.)
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To: Smogger

Logical - thanks smogger.


426 posted on 12/11/2019 10:29:53 AM PST by GOPJ (Enemy combatants have more rights than kangaroo Courts give our President.)
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To: Smogger
Durham has the power to coerce those that are not current Justice Department employees. He has a Grand Jury. Let's wait and see what they come up with.

As distressing as this may sound, Tom Fitton has serious doubts as to whether Durham is doing ANYTHING! His whole interview is worth a listen, but here is where he says that:

https://youtu.be/jCr36CkoeI0?t=8m51s

427 posted on 12/11/2019 10:30:08 AM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: The Toll
THEY FREAKING WIRETAPPED THE NOMINEE OF THE OPPOSITION PARTY!

And we know that Barry was being briefed on everything Strzok/Page and others were finding, while that crew purposely kept that info from Trump. If there were simply a concern about foreign infiltrators, Trump would have been kept in the loop. IOW, the took actions against PJDT without proper predicate!

They had no evidence that Trump was involved (let alone legitmate evidence that Carter Page was a foreign agent (He was the FBI and CIA's informant, doing multiple things at their behest and reporting back to them without apparent complaint about his work product, assignments ostensibly against Russians. Proof that Carter Page was a foreign agent was a requirement for FISA! Evidence for that was lied about.)) as confirmed by Mueller, so withholding info from the President-elect and wiretapping him without probable cause (which is required for a Special Counsel) must be illegal! Meaning, it must have been a Barry directive.

Rosenstein tried to schmooze right over that requirement by assigning Mueller the on-going counter-intelligence investigation, Crossfire Hurricane, without proper predicate for it.

428 posted on 12/11/2019 10:32:13 AM PST by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: Smogger

Well said, Smogger.


429 posted on 12/11/2019 10:32:36 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: janetjanet998

430 posted on 12/11/2019 10:34:18 AM PST by doug from upland (Why the hell isn't Hillary Rodham Clinton in prison yet?)
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To: GOPJ

They’re not unknown or faceless.

And with allies like these, who needs enemies.


431 posted on 12/11/2019 10:36:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Karl Spooner
That is really discouraging. Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch have been doing the work uncovering the conspiracies that the DOJ should have been doing for quite a while and their opinion is pretty authoritative.
432 posted on 12/11/2019 10:37:56 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Karl Spooner
Yikes. I briefly heard Tom Fitton on Sean Hannity's radio show on Monday. Fitton did sound a bit down in the dumps... rather pessimistic about Durham.

Thanks for that link... I'll listen to it as soon as I can.

433 posted on 12/11/2019 10:38:12 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: caww

Horowitz did find direct evidence that bias existed (the anti-Trump texts), but he did not find direct evidence that this bias was the motive for decisions influencing the investigation.

That is because without a confession, there can BE no evidence, and nobody in their right mind would confess to such a thing.

So, you’ll notice whenever Horowitz is asked if he found evidence of bias, he says “yes”, but whenever he is asked if the bias influenced the investigation, he says “no”.

We saw the same thing in the Mueller report. It’s all about how you ask the question:

The Democrats are better off asking if Horowitz found evidence that bias that influenced the investigation, so that they can extract a “no” response, (because of course, absent a confession, there could be no evidence of motive).

The Republicans are better off asking if Horowitz found evidence that bias existed, so they can extract a “yes” response, because of course he found such evidence (the anti-Trump texts).

I wish the Republicans would follow every “no” answer extracted by the Democrats with the following cross-examination:

“Mr Horowitz, you just testified that you found no direct evidence that the bias affected decisions in the investigation. What would constitute such evidence? Is it not impossible to find such evidence, and if so, isn’t lack of evidence completely meaningless and non exculpatory?”

(Haha! While I was typing that, Senator Lee just asked that - almost word for word!)


434 posted on 12/11/2019 10:38:42 AM PST by enumerated
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To: mewzilla

The FISA court was NOT suckered.

The court was PACKED.


435 posted on 12/11/2019 10:38:42 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: nutmeg

How do you spell out a multitude of biases by Strok and Page and then come to the conclusion that there were no biases.


436 posted on 12/11/2019 10:38:49 AM PST by kempster
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To: doug from upland
LOL, yes!! 😄
437 posted on 12/11/2019 10:39:10 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg

Hello, old FRiend.


438 posted on 12/11/2019 10:40:30 AM PST by doug from upland (Why the hell isn't Hillary Rodham Clinton in prison yet?)
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To: kempster

I know... Obvious bias!


439 posted on 12/11/2019 10:41:04 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: Smogger

HEY...YOU’RE RATIONAL!

lol.


440 posted on 12/11/2019 10:41:24 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie ( BEST ELECTION EVER....MAGA)
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