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First Red Flag Conviction In Florida After Man Refuses To Give Up His Guns
DailyWire.com ^ | DECEMBER 9TH, 2019 | James Barrett

Posted on 12/10/2019 6:49:23 PM PST by dontreadthis

A man from Deerfield Beach, Florida, faces a potential of five years in prison after being convicted for defying the state’s “red flag” law, which allows authorities to confiscate weapons from those deemed to be at high risk of committing a crime. The case is the first conviction under the state’s relatively new gun law, which was passed in part as a response to the horrific mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Since the red flag law went into effect in March 2018, Florida has seized guns from over 2,000 residents of the state. But while the state has taken thousands of weapons, it has not convicted anyone for violating the law — until this week. As reported by the Sun Sentinel, after being charged in March 2018 under the law for refusing to hand over his firearms, Jerron Smith, 33, was convicted by a Broward Circuit court this week on charges carrying as many as five years in prison.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; broward; florida; guncontrol; redflag; redflaglaws
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To: kingu

Yes, but “convicted of refusing to comply with a court order and a search warrant” pursuant to what ?

Does not the State of Florida have the right to criminalize shooting at someone or their property, i.e. felony, i.e. firearm prohibition ? They have ample remedy.

I’m not for defending this guy, but my point is that his ‘conviction’ could be challenged on the aformentioned preemtive grounds.


61 posted on 12/10/2019 8:31:49 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: faithhopecharity

Not yet, but he was under order to surrender his firearms as condition of his bail. Under the circumstances, it seems reasonable.


62 posted on 12/10/2019 8:35:01 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I believe they convicted him under the red flag law because it had a stiffer sentence than disobeying the conditions of his bail. In any case, this is NOT a case to be appealed as practically no one has sympathy for someone who shot at someone else over a cell phone.


63 posted on 12/10/2019 8:37:24 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
" The guy was accused of attempted murder. Since he was arrested for a violent crime, ..." You really don't get it, do you?
64 posted on 12/10/2019 8:37:55 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: old curmudgeon

The fascists CHOSE a case such as this to set a precedence. Of course Red Flag Laws are great, look at the first guy convicted. They will do it again and again and again. Then when it seems normal a safe, they will go after someone who hasn’t committed a crime yet.


65 posted on 12/10/2019 8:39:04 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Pick a truly abused person to try a case. That improves your chance of winning.

Losing is not the way to curing the problem..


66 posted on 12/10/2019 8:42:40 PM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: A strike

I DO get it. The guy was also ordered to surrender his firearms as a condition of his bail after he shot at someone (not a disputed fact). HE AGREED TO IT. He had his due process.


67 posted on 12/10/2019 8:43:19 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
No, I did not read the part where he was convicted of trying to murder someone.
68 posted on 12/10/2019 8:44:12 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What i am saying is that existing laws should have disarmed him as he actually did something rather than using a precrime law after the fact.

The fact the courts didn’t use existing laws to disarm someone who already committed a gun crime doesn’t validate precrime laws disarming people who unlike this guy, will have not done anything yet.


69 posted on 12/10/2019 8:47:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: coaster123

No, we don’t care what leftists think of us.

But when you get to court, you sure will care what the jury thinks of you.

You hope they will see you as one of them and that they could someday be in your shoes.

Not like a guy that thinks shooting up cars is a good idea.


70 posted on 12/10/2019 8:50:38 PM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: elpadre

They probably just ask the google, facebook, youtube, and twitter algorithms to lend a hand and point out all the bad people for them.

It’s a plug-and-play system for social control, why build a new one?


71 posted on 12/10/2019 8:58:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: MileHi

Meh, ever heard that we don’t really need the 1st Amendment to protect speech that everyone agrees with?

Well, similarly, we don’t really need the 5th Amendment to guarantee due process to people who never get in trouble with the law.


72 posted on 12/10/2019 9:02:18 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Glad2bnuts; Secret Agent Man

“Bad cases make bad law.”


73 posted on 12/10/2019 9:05:52 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Chickensoup
Conservatives always let other conservatives twist in the wind.

Which is why we're losing the civil war and the country. And make no mistake, war is being waged by one side of the political spectrum.

74 posted on 12/10/2019 10:05:14 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: old curmudgeon
You weren't talking about jurors.

And who is this we you keep referring to? Crab lice?

“You think, they think, he thinks.”

Um.. Lol. You can't read my mind nor can you read the minds of jurors nor the mind of a guy who shoots up cars. It's true, you can't.

75 posted on 12/10/2019 10:06:07 PM PST by coaster123 (Distrust everyone under sixty.)
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To: dontreadthis; All
”...a Broward Circuit court this week on charges carrying as many as five years in prison.“

Apparently the prison CCW expired. 😂

76 posted on 12/10/2019 11:08:27 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: dontreadthis

RED FLAG LAWS: INNOCENTS WILL DIE!
https://www.brighteon.com/75473592-13e5-45c4-85e3-73ec524d3c02


77 posted on 12/10/2019 11:44:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: A strike

Yieks. Read about this dooshbag first.


78 posted on 12/10/2019 11:47:18 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: griswold3

You are right on that one, My FRiend. And they will do the next one also. One by one.


79 posted on 12/10/2019 11:51:27 PM PST by sport
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To: elpadre

Who made the determination and the rational use is
immaterial. The point is it was made and it will be enforced with and by deadly force if necessary.


80 posted on 12/10/2019 11:55:55 PM PST by sport
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