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BREAKING: Dems are encouraging GOP Never-Trumpers to exploit "loophole" in Senate impeachment clause...
Twitter ^ | Dec 4, 2019 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 12/04/2019 6:08:35 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

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To: CatOwner
>>>If it goes to the Senate, Trump is done.

Wanna Bet? I will bet you the exact opposite happens...that the DEMS are done if this goes to the Senate because I believe that is what will happen.

And yes - I am serious. PM me and offer your wager since you seem so certain. We can exchange PayPal info.

People need to stop making statements of fact when all we really have is an opinion of what might happen (albeit a strong one).

141 posted on 12/04/2019 10:54:11 AM PST by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: BlackFemaleArmyColonel

The democrats keep trying to win by cheating. Corruption is their philosophy of life. I hope the RINOs are not treasonous enough to do this. Removing the President of the United States from office is a major step, not one to be taken through trickery. Anyone who participates in a charade to overturn the 2016 election deserves whatever outcome may come to pass (and I suspect that outcome would be extremely severe).


142 posted on 12/04/2019 11:06:29 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Avalon Memories
That wouldn't have been the last word. Some of the states would have sued to SCOTUS, demanding that the House must decide since Katherine Harris certified Florida for Bush, leaving Gore with 269 EV.

It would have been unconstitutional for Gore to declare himself President with only 269 Electoral College votes.

The House would have selected Bush.

-PJ

143 posted on 12/04/2019 12:01:13 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Avalon Memories
It turns out I wasn't losing my mind ... but I didn't have all the facts straight and the exact timeline described in my original post.

The moron in question was Jonathan Alter of NBC, and he was making ON ELECTION NIGHT -- before a single recount had been done. And in he citation below he wasn't even talking about a "concession," but about an outright declaration of Al Gore as the winner. I think it was right after the quote below that he made the zany suggestion that Bush should concede even if he was the winner.

Here's his exact quote:

"If it turns out that Al Gore wins the popular vote nationally, there will be intense pressure in this country to have him become the President. Most people think the guy with the most votes wins. Recounts are as much an art as a science. You have experts, consultants, who go around the country doing recounts. If the recount came out on behalf of Bush and Bush had lost the popular vote nationally they would go to court, there'd be another recount. It would become endless. And the political pressure would mount very quickly to, to certify Al Gore as, as the winner."

Yeah -- the guy is a moron. The good news is that he seems to have disappeared from the media since then.

144 posted on 12/04/2019 12:51:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: NELSON111

Why bet? No one will put enough on the line to make it worth it, and it is unenforceable unless you use a certified 3rd party to hold the bets, and distribute.

Seems like this gambling thing is kind of ridiculous unless we are talking real money here. I sure won’t bet real money -— I will need that money for my family if I have predicted correctly.

My prediction:
(1) Impeachment succeeds.
(2) Senate removes with various chicanery + secret vote.
(3) Overnight single party system (GOP is dead).
(4) GOP senators moved into power positions in new obvious single party system.
(4a) Not a single rebellion will occur the country over. (Nothing obviously attributable, anyway, will be broadcast by any means the masses can receive). Not many folks can afford to rebel, it isn’t colonial days here.
(4b) Lots of mass shootings will be blamed on conservatives (you can do that when you become a Single Party System, and you completely and utterly control the truth and Federal Law Enforcement).
(5) Gun ownership rights quickly eroded, and finally removed.

What people miss is that this is the first time in the nation’s history that this is possible. Never before have the people been so in debt, and internally divided over right and wrong in their own households. And never before has a government had the automatic innate ability to track your every single move. The potential for long term permanence of a Big Brother State is finally here, and I think moves are afoot to make it happen.

A dramatic removal of a President by force will the precipitating move.

I have read many comments in response to my past proclomations on this:

(1) You’re note even logical!
(2) Do you even realize how are system works?
(3) GOP is doomed if they do that.
(4) People will rebel if that happens!

Answers:
(1) Yes I am, my scenario is quite plausible.
(2) Very much so. My path above does not violate constitutional law! Do you think the coordinators would obviously violate the constitution on a level visible to the people? TOo much at stake!
(3) And they (GOP) doesn’t care (they have their seats secured in the New US Order).
(4) No they won’t. Too easy detect, track rebels. No one can even afford to rebel. And even worse, most families would fracture almost immediately, removing hope for rebels. And all media would be united in spinning it in a way that makes rebels evil.

Kiss it goodbye folks!

I believe Ben Franklin noted something to the extent, we have a republic if we can keep it.

We can’t, because we prefer comfortable and sexy over practical and rough. Game over.

It happens to every nation, it will happen to ours. The funny thing is, our constitution can never work indefinitely (and it doesn’t matter about how it is written, in this case). It depends on a honest people, a people honest down to what taking a loan for a Christmas gift means for their own family. Honest down to the level of what morally compromising behavior means to the very top of the political food chain, 40 years later. Even honest to ourselves about what impact marrying someone of a different political flavor would mean in the Worst Case Scenario (rebellion) to our kids, spouses and livelyhoods.


145 posted on 12/04/2019 2:24:31 PM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: MNJohnnie
Gore lost by a few hundred votes. It had nothing to do with Clinton’s Impeachment

A few hundred votes could have been moved by almost anything; I don’t know on what authority you are so absolute in your conviction that the impeachment played no role.

I’ve simply stated that credible arguments have been made that the impeachment cost Gore the election, and I think most people would agree that while we may never know the full impact of the impeachment, the arguments for its effect are quite credible.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/did-clintons-impeachment-actually-hurt-republicans/591175/

https://www.uvm.edu/%7Edguber/POLS125/articles/pomper.htm

Excerpt: The vote showed significant shifts from 1996 (see Figure 3), working to Bush's advantage. There was more party switching by former Clinton supporters than by former Dole supporters, and previous backers of Perot also moved more heavily toward the Republicans.

The Clinton scandal probably had some effect on these patterns, giving more prominence to character traits and providing more reason for party switching. Although most of the country gave little weight to the Lewinsky affair, a fourth did find it "very important."

146 posted on 12/04/2019 3:22:41 PM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Aqua225

All it takes is for 20 Senators to demand that the Ayes and Nays be recorded and a secret vote becomes impossible.


147 posted on 12/04/2019 3:42:06 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: BlackFemaleArmyColonel

Most Republican senators like their jobs and want to keep them.....they are smarter than that!!!!


148 posted on 12/05/2019 4:55:21 PM PST by terycarl (Notre Dame was God's way of pointing out that France has fallen from His favor....)
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