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The Trump-Ukraine Impeachment Inquiry Report released
House.gov ^ | December 03, 2019 | Committee on Intelligence

Posted on 12/03/2019 11:10:00 AM PST by entropy12

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To: Smellin Salt

Exactly, have you noticed how often recently the Godless left quotes the Bible to make a point?

They don’t call Satan the “Great Deceiver” for nuthin.


61 posted on 12/03/2019 3:21:50 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Dave Wright
Both of these assertions are refuted by public facts. No Ukrainian official ever acknowledged any tie between investigations or meetings with the delay in aid. You can't have coercion unless the party being coerced indicates they were forced to do something they didn't want to do. This is not evidence, it is a political ad.

If what was required, as was asserted several times in this “Report,” that President Zelensky merely had to “announce” the commencement of investigations into Burisma Holdings and its activities in 2016, the very fact that President Zelensky did not do so is prima facie evidence that President Trump never made such a demand, because it would have been extremely easy for Zelensky to make such a statement for public consumption, even if he did not instigate investigations.

It was also reported that Zelensky wanted President Trump to make the July phone call in advance of the July parliamentary elections to help Zelensky’s political party gain seats in the upcoming election, but was somehow worried about the propriety of doing a reciprocal favor for President Trump due to it is improper to get involved in an election, when he just mentioned the importance of having a US presidential phone call’s benefit for HIS party’s election???? Absurd! He knew very well political benefits.

That claim makes no sense in a country and parliamentary system where political favors were and are frequently exchanged to gain political advantage. The system only works due to systemic Quid Quo Pro. . . You scratch my back, and I scratch yours. “You vote for my bill, and I’ll vote for yours, even though we are both philosophically opposed to each others’ bills.“ That’s the way the political world works.

Yet we are supposed to believe that Ukraine President Zelensky would quibble and delay action for an existential refusal to give military aid in exchange for a mere investigation???? So much they waited six weeks or more to make even a slight more to appease the US President supposedly irrational demand for investigations into his maybe/possible election opponent out of a field of candidates of over 20 for an election that won’t occur for 17 months yet? Also absurd!

If a head of state, one whose country is in a state of war with a much richer, much more powerful enemy, in other words is under existential threat, knew his source of lethal weapons was under threat of having that source cut off for a minuscule reason, he’d certainly be falling all over himself to, as soon as possible, eliminate that easily resolved problem to make sure his country would get that aid and those weapons to keep his people and country safe. Since, we are told, all it would take is to hold a press conference, and make a public statement, why a six week delay that may make it too late to get the aid at all?

The fact is he would not dilly-dally around at all, waiting weeks before taking any action to ameliorate the problem. That Zelensky did not take any quick action at all to ameliorate that threat alone shows there was no demand for a Quid pro Quo, and, in fact, it demonstrates that he did not even know there was an existential threat of a cut off in aid!

62 posted on 12/03/2019 3:31:05 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: noexcuses
HOW??? They keep saying that with no specifics.

Schitt-for-brains quotes Underwear-Deputy Secretary of State Kent as saying “The Ukrainians are fighting the Russians there so we don’t have to fight them here,” resurrecting an old Cold War saw about maintaining the client states to fight them elsewhere or the Russki’s would be invading the US.

63 posted on 12/03/2019 3:36:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: DannyTN

Not according to Schitt-for-brains. He covers that in his self-serving “Report.” He claims they DID allow “due process” but if they didn’t, the President isn’t allowed due process in House procedures anyway, and they can make up their own rules for impeachment and hearings, too! And they didn’t deny any Republican witnesses* because they were essentially identical to Democrat witnesses, amazingly. WOW! Imagine that. *Unsaid: after I edited their list.

64 posted on 12/03/2019 3:50:42 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: DannyTN
Even small town white boy's get to VOTE if over 18 and not a Felon. As a long time Democrat...I will vote for Trump because we are so much better of today that 4 years ago. Any Democrat congress person who votes to Impeach Trump will loose reelection.....period. How can you argue against success??
65 posted on 12/04/2019 3:54:50 AM PST by mastertex
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To: Dave Wright
Sedition is rising to a crescendo. Prison for seditionists. Hanging to treasonous villains such as Brennan, Schiff, and Comey..
66 posted on 12/04/2019 4:11:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Dave Wright

Not to mention that Sondland admitted he presumed a demand, which was directly refuted by President Trump.


67 posted on 12/04/2019 6:00:22 PM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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