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'Coup' Concerns Suddenly Don't Seem So Far-fetched
Townhall.com ^ | November 21, 2019 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/21/2019 5:05:47 AM PST by Kaslin

For most of the last three years, Donald Trump's critics have scoffed at supposed "conspiracy theories" that claimed a "deep state" of bureaucrats were aborting the Trump presidency. We have been told the word "coup" is hyperbole that reveals the paranoid minds of Trump supporters.

Yet oddly, many people brag that they are proud members of a deep state and occasionally boast about the idea of a coup.

Recently, former acting CIA chief John McLaughlin proclaimed in a public forum, "Thank God for the deep state." Former CIA director John Brennan agreed and praised the "deep state people" for their opposition to Trump.

Far from denying the danger of an unelected careerist bureaucracy that seeks to overturn presidential policies, New York Times columnists have praised its efforts to nullify the Trump agenda.

On the first day of the impeachment inquiry, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff called his initial two witnesses, career State Department diplomats William Taylor Jr. and George Kent. Far from providing damning evidence of criminal presidential behavior, Taylor and Kent mostly confined themselves to three topics: their own sterling resumes, their lack of any firsthand knowledge of incriminating Trump action, and their poorly hidden disgust with the manner and substance of Trump's foreign policy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: coup; deepstate; presidenttrump; resistance; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: Kaslin

The ATTACK on the republic continues. Any representation we have left is being properly subdued. PREPARE accordingly. No help coming.


41 posted on 11/21/2019 6:41:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: NELSON111

Hahaha!!!


42 posted on 11/21/2019 6:42:29 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Trump didnÂ’t want an AG, he wanted a consigliere.)
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To: Kaslin

Donald J. Trump waded into the murky swamp. He waded out on a shelf until that next step took him to unknown depths.


43 posted on 11/21/2019 6:43:35 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Kaslin
How to clean up the State Dept.?

1 - Cut entire staff by HALF, (fire those blocking Trump policy) 2 - Move the U.N. out of NYC. 3 - Quit using State Dept. to hide spooks.

44 posted on 11/21/2019 6:45:52 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Big Red Badger

It is a coup by definition: The alteration of an existing government by a small group.


45 posted on 11/21/2019 6:48:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: arthurus

a soft communist revolution


46 posted on 11/21/2019 6:50:13 AM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

If I were Trump, I would only make public appearances in rallies in places like Louisiana or Alabama, where the local authorities will provide ground support for his bodyguards. The. Deep State is desperate enough to try a sniper attack. They openly murdered Epstein with transparent lies about sleeping guards, malfunctioning cameras, etc. Unlike with Kennedy in 1963, few will believe the “lone nut” story even if the MSM plug it 24-7. But they won’t care, as long as the proximate threat of Trump is eliminated with extreme prejudice.


47 posted on 11/21/2019 6:56:41 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Travis McGee

48 posted on 11/21/2019 6:58:38 AM PST by yoe
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To: Kaslin

“Suddenly” Victor?


49 posted on 11/21/2019 6:58:42 AM PST by subterfuge (RIP T.P.)
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To: NELSON111
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ (About this soundlisten); French: [ku deta]), also known by its German name putsch (/pʊtʃ/), or simply as a coup, is the overthrow of an existing government by non-democratic means; typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction.[1]

The phrase coup d'état comes from French, literally meaning a "stroke of state" or "blow against the state". In French, the word État (French: [eta]), denoting a sovereign political entity, is capitalized.[2][3][4][5][6]

Although the concept of a coup d'état has featured in politics since antiquity, the phrase is of relatively recent coinage;[7] the Oxford English Dictionary identifies it as a French expression meaning a "stroke of state". The phrase did not appear within an English text before the 19th century except when used in translation of a French source, there being no simple phrase in English to convey the contextualized idea of a "knockout blow to the existing administration within a state".

One early use within text translated from French was in 1785 in a printed translation of a letter from a French merchant, commenting on an arbitrary decree or "arrêt" issued by the French king restricting the import of British wool.[8] What may be its first published use within a text composed in English is an editor's note in the London Morning Chronicle, 7 January 1802, reporting the arrest by Napoleon in France, of Moreau, Berthier, Masséna, and Bernadotte:

There was a report in circulation yesterday of a sort of coup d'état having taken place in France, in consequence of some formidable conspiracy against the existing government.

In post-Revolutionary France, the phrase came to be used to describe the various murders by Napoleon's hated secret police, the Gens d'Armes d'Elite, who murdered the Duke of Enghien:

...the actors in torture, the distributors of the poisoning draughts, and the secret executioners of those unfortunate individuals or families, whom Bonaparte's measures of safety require to remove. In what revolutionary tyrants call grand[s] coups d'état, as butchering, or poisoning, or drowning, en masse, they are exclusively employed.[9]

Use of the phrase

Clayton Thyne and Jonathan Powell's dataset of coups defines attempted coups as "illegal and overt attempts by the military or other elites within the state apparatus to unseat the sitting executive."[1] They arrive at this definition by combining common definitions in the existing literature, and removing specificities and ambiguities that exist in many definitions.[1]

In looser usage, as in "intelligence coup" or "boardroom coup", the term simply refers to gaining a sudden advantage on a rival.


And my 1953 Webster's Collegiate Dictionary says;

coup d'état; A sudden, decisive(Hillary coins the term #RESIST) exercise of force whereby the existing government is subverted; an unexpected stroke of policy


So it's a slow attempted coup d'état.

50 posted on 11/21/2019 7:11:08 AM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Best take away from the article:

Taylor and Kent cited their anguish with Trump's foreign policy toward Ukraine -- namely that it did not go through official channels and was too unsympathetic to Ukraine and too friendly to Russia. If so, one might have thought the anguished bureaucrats would have similarly gone public during the Obama administration.

51 posted on 11/21/2019 7:29:20 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Pollard
Which is sedition and treason - and because it is SLOW it isn't a coup d'état - which is the point. And if you look at every example you listed - this isn't what is happening here.

We have laws and legal definitions. If we ever get around to prosecution, these people won't be standing before a judge charged with "a coup." But if it makes you FEEL better....be my guest.

52 posted on 11/21/2019 7:29:28 AM PST by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Now I read that Ken Starr of Clinton impeachment fame, thinks the Republicans in the Senate will talk Trump into resigning. WTF?!

I can't see Trump resigning over this. He's not a loser like the rest of these wannabes. He's a winner and will not go down without a fight.

Resign like Nixon? No way. He's done nothing wrong. Nixon did.

What I think would be the cat's meow, if the Senate does vote to convict on any articles that the House invents, but they don't bar Trump from holding future office, would be for Trump to run and win re-election in 2020 AFTER being impeached and convicted. 👍

Talk about exploding Leftist's heads. What a mess. 😂

53 posted on 11/21/2019 7:37:05 AM PST by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: Pollard
I tell you what - let's go about this a totally different way to understand this:

I'll ask you two simple questions: 1) Did you ever serve in the military (or law enforcement or both) and 2) Do you still honor that oath you took?

I'll answer first: Yes - for 32 years. I'm a retired 100% T&P disabled combat vet and I still honor my oath.

Your turn.

54 posted on 11/21/2019 7:39:21 AM PST by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: central_va
This sub-topic about the word, "coup" is very amusing. With great appreciation to the people here who have appointed themselves as enforcers of the one and only true meaning of the word... it seems that they do not realize that words in any language often have more than one specific meaning. That is of course why dictionaries typically list several meanings for the same word. And of course different dictionaries often have varying definitions for the same word. This is because in a living language meanings evolve due to common understanding. And yes, there are other words and phrases that could be used to describe what the Democrats have been attempting to do even before President Trump was elected... that is one of the reasons many of us have a thesaurus in addition to a dictionary.
55 posted on 11/21/2019 7:48:05 AM PST by fireman15
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To: NELSON111

First thank you for your service... Second what does “100% T&P disabled” mean?


56 posted on 11/21/2019 7:54:07 AM PST by fireman15
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To: NELSON111

OK, I see you have achieved 100% total and permanent disability. Sounds pretty grim. My sister-in-law has achieved the same status after serving 28 years in the Air Force, but she was not in combat.


57 posted on 11/21/2019 8:00:38 AM PST by fireman15
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To: fireman15
Total and permanently disabled. When I was rated by the VA my overall rating was 260% disability -but of course they only pay you 100%. 100% T&P means one never needs to go back to the VA (as most do year after year) and get re-evaluations done on your disability to see if they still pay you for that disability. Example-they May rate you at 20% for an issue but if you don’t continue to see a doctor for that issue after you leave the service-and you are taking no meds-and if you seem to have zero limitations from that issue - that may take that rating down to zero.

I am fortunate. I’m still able to get around ok and am pursuing a legal career post military career. I already had a PhD but never used my post 9-11 GI Bill and now with the VA rating my kids college is actually paid for as well and they don’t have to use it-so I am. Many 100%T&P aren’t as lucky.

58 posted on 11/21/2019 8:02:53 AM PST by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: NELSON111

What was the Velvet Revolution?


59 posted on 11/21/2019 8:09:37 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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To: fireman15

Yes. One is CRSC and one is CRDP. There are differences


60 posted on 11/21/2019 8:11:08 AM PST by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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