I have been disturbed that more FReepers are not bothered by Russian interference or Putin in general. However, if there was Ukrainian interference it would be important to identify if it was during a period when the Ukrainian leadership was pro Russia, or not.
What interference? Be specific please!
Much was alleged, and most here looked on those allegations with extreme skepticism, as made up to hurt Trump.
At the end of the excruciating Mueller investigation he stated that no one in the Trump administration, nor any American citizen, had conspired with Russia in the election.
He did make two sets of charges. In the first he charged 12 individuals and three companies with interfering in the election by using social media. This is what is usually referred to as "The Russian Troll Farm" case, and is still the subject of an ongoing trail. One of the corporate plaintiffs, Concord Management and Consulting, has chosen to submit to the American judicial system,
The second charge Mueller made was, essentially, that the GRU (Russian military intelligence) hacked the DNC computer server and gave the information to Wikileaks.
Because all of the people charged in this were Russian GRU officers it's unlikely this case will ever go to trial.
Personally, I'd rate it as a "cheap shot". Mueller got to say whatever he wants, and is virtually guaranteed that no one will ever challenge his statements and accusations.
The Troll Farm case is troubling in a number of ways. It's not clear what exactly is illegal here.
Is it illegal for foreigners, or Russians to have opinions on American politics? Is it illegal for them to form organizations that push for things they want to happen in the world? Is it illegal for Russians to post with pseudonyms that might be mistaken for American names? Is it illegal for some Russians to pay other Russians to create pseudononymous Facebook memes?
Look at the crime from a generic viewpoint. For instance, can citizen organizations in Israel lobby for various results in American elections on social media (I have several Israeli friends, so I already do get a lot of this stuff already)?
Or, are they, too, breaking the law in doing so?
Does the behavior become criminal when it includes paid workers? Or because it's a Group. How about an individual foreigner? Can an Indian software engineer in Hyderabad post a meme saying "Hillary is great". Or is that a violation of some law I'm unaware of, too.
I much more troubled by the actions of the US Government agencies in interfering in the elections than anything that Mueller has accused them of. I discount things that people like the liberal media, Democratic politicians, and tards in general have accused Russia of. Even Mueller, who was himself clearly biased against Trump, could not substantiate those charges. I believe the were fake, false, lying claims by partisan dirty-tricksters, Democrat oepratives, and the Obama complicit media
Such claims are worth less than garbage to me.
“I have been disturbed that more FReepers are not bothered by Russian interference or Putin in general.”
There has never been any proof of Russian interference offered up. Comey’s FBI, Brennan’s CIA says there was but never any solid evidence of said has been produced.
Ukrainian interference HAS been proven, hell, they openly admit to it. That’s why most informed FReepers are not “bothered”.
Putin is a commie. In 2016 the media painted Trump as willing to start a nuclear war with whoever. Russia was as good a choice as any. Later once the Hillary campaign and deep state cooked up the Russian collusion narrative, they changed it to the Trumputin talking point.
At that point it became a criminalized policy dispute. Trump said Putin was not a bad guy, and the media complained that Trump was not going to nuke Russia.
The media is of course ok with "tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election". But I would much rather have Trump negotiating as a strong energy exporter with a country that bases most of its federal revenue on gas and oil. Trump is not going to bring fake red buttons, but as in Syria, draw real red lines.
While there are certainly some Putin Sycophants here, in general, the reaction to the Russian "interference" has been pretty much on target. The "interference" was minuscule, and amounted to a small number of "Russian Internet Trolls" posting false and/or inflammatory information about BOTH Trump and Hillary, and a few thousand dollars of ad buys on Twitter and Facebook, again, targeted at BOTH candidates. The "Russia hacked the DNC" story appears to be fake and only backed up by the DNC and their contractor Crowdstrike. Blowing it up into a huge conspiracy was ridiculous and only intended to damage Trump.
In contrast, Ukraine's government has been proven to DIRECTLY INTERFERE with the 2016 election, including working directly with the DNC's Alexandra Chalupa to find dirt on Trump for the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Ukraine Parliament members pushed the false "Black Ledger" to undermine the Trump campaign and worked with Fusion GPS to help produce the "Dirty Dossier". The Ukraine Ambassador publicly attacked Trump in a US editorial piece, and Ukraine's Internal Affairs Minister posted and promoted anti-Trump propaganda on social media. This amounts to legitimate, concerted effort by Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election, and collusion between the DNC, Clinton campaign and a foreign government.
While I'm no fan of Russia, and loathe Putin, the "Russian interference" has been thoroughly investigated, and there is little legitimate interference to find. With Ukraine, we have barely scratched the surface, and there is plenty. So, yes, you should be "bothered" by the Russian interference, but you should be downright OUTRAGED by Ukraine's.