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To: Steve Schulin
You asked me a question (”As for Trump not meeting a minimum standard in 2016, who are you kidding?”). My answer: I’m not kidding anyone.

Well then I hate to be the one bringing this to
your attention, but you are only kidding yourself.

Trump did not come close to meeting my personal minimum standard for support. I’m not a single-issue voter, but here’s one matter that by itself was enough to know that Trump didn’t measure up: abortion.

Just below here, you tell me that Trump stated he disliked abortion.  We both know he was talking about defunding Planned Parenthood.  That's actually about all he could have done, and that only through channels.

Others can promise an
ything they like, but it doesn't mean they can enter the White House, sit down and write one or more Executive Order(s) to do exactly what you want.  Within seven days an
y Executive Order(s) along these lines would be addressed by an federal judge, and that federal judge would stay the orders.  They would never be reinstated.  Congress needs to address this.  Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan had a two year window to do that.  They were too busy.

So even though Trump said he would take action to reduce abortions in the United States, you state he didn't meet your criteria at that point.  He was the only viable person who could have helped, and you turned your back on him.

Now 
you tell me you are against abortion, and I have to wonder just how against it you really are.

Trump says he opposes abortion. That’s nice, but every day, thousands of these littlest persons are deprived of their lives without due process under color of law here in the US, despite the fact that our Constitution clearly states that no person shall be deprived of their life without due process. The candidate I supported, FReeper Tom Hoefling, laid out his plan to shut down the child-killing centers and the sale of abortifacient drugs, including actions he would take on his first day of office. Last Spring, Trump tweeted about a secret plan to end abortion. He added that he was the only one who knows how to do this. Well, that prompts me to ask similar question as you asked me: who’s fooling whom?

We all agree that it is wicked and disgusting what takes place in abortion parlors every day.  The question is, what is the only legal way to put an end to it?

Even if a guy does have a good plan, what good is it going to do to give that guy one of a few thousand votes, that could have gone to a person who would do real things to help?


Are you aware of these things?  This is something that is taking place because Trump is president.  It would not have happened if Hillary had won in 2016, but you didn't bother to vote for Trump.

LINK 1  Title X related
LINK 2  Title X related, Planned Parenthood office closings related
LINK 3  Title X related, Planned Parenthood related, Defunding related, Packing Courts with Anti-Abortion Judges related

So Trump is a person
you state you still can't support, because he doesn't meet your criterea regarding abortion.  How can you state that?

That figure of thousands of abortions a day here in the US is based on the reported number of surgical abortions. How many more abortions are due to use of abortifacient drugs and devices marketed as contraceptives? Well, we don’t know. The Guttmacher Institute was hired by the nation of India to estimate the number for that nation (Guttmacher estimated there were 13 times more abortifacient drug abortions than surgical abortions. The only other estimate I’ve seen was a doctor writing for American Life League - decades ago - who estimated that there were 72 times more abortifacient drug abortions than surgical abortions. I did the math when the 2017 surgical abortion tally was released: if 13 times more were aborted by pill, that means there’s been over a million abortions in the US since Trump took office.

We elected a man whose own party Controlled Congress, and they did not bother to pass a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, or take other measures to protect the unborn.

Trump is not a king or a dictator.  You can vote for the purest of people if you like.  People like you could cost Trump the election.  If so, everything Trump has done will be at risk of being undone.

I shudder to think all people who dislike abortion would reason what to do about it, like you do.

104 posted on 11/12/2019 11:10:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Pledge: "...and to the Democracy for which it stands..." I give up. Use the democRat meme...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I urge all of good will to set their own minimum standard for determine whether to support a candidate. Trump didn’t come close to meeting my minimum standard in 2016, so I helped raise up
a candidate who did. You’re free to characterize my actions as not bothering to vote for Trump, but those are your words, not mine. I chose to support a candidate who met my minimum standard for support. You seem resigned to act differently than me. Amongst your arguments is that judges would stand against presidential action to support and defend the Constitution when it comes to depriving persons of their life without due process. Well, judges are entitled to their opinions, but a President need not abrogate his or her oath just because a court disagrees. You say I’ve turned my back to President Trump. Again, those are your words, not mine. President Trump is our President.

One of the bills he signed into law included a provision that says no money can be spent under that law for abortions, except for some circumstances. Many folks who self-identify as pro-life praise this language. But the Constitution doesn’t allow for any such exceptions. No person shall be deprived of their life without due process. No judge made Trump sign that bill into law. Would you say that Trump has turned his back to the Constitution in this case?


105 posted on 11/14/2019 6:05:39 AM PST by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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