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This Is No Ordinary Impeachment [Barf]
New York Magazine ^ | November 8, 2019 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/09/2019 3:06:11 PM PST by Jyotishi

This is not just an impeachment. It's the endgame for Trump's relentless assault on the institutions, norms, and practices of America's liberal democracy for the past three years. It's also a deeper reckoning. It's about whether the legitimacy of our entire system can last much longer without this man being removed from office.

I'm talking about what political scientists call "regime cleavage" -- a decline in democratic life so severe the country's very institutions could lose legitimacy as a result of it. It is described by one political scientist as follows: "a division within the population marked by conflict about the foundations of the governing system itself -- in the American case, our constitutional democracy. In societies facing a regime cleavage, a growing number of citizens and officials believe that norms, institutions, and laws may be ignored, subverted, or replaced." A full-on regime cleavage is, indeed, an extinction-level event for our liberal democratic system. And it is one precipitated by the man who is supposed to be the guardian of that system, the president.

Let us count the ways in which Trump has attacked and undermined the core legitimacy of our democracy. He is the only candidate in American history who refused to say that he would abide by the results of the vote. Even after winning the 2016 election, he still claimed that "millions" of voters -- undocumented aliens -- perpetrated massive electoral fraud in the last election, and voted for his opponent. He has repeatedly and publicly toyed with the idea that he could violate the 22nd Amendment, and get elected for three terms, or more.

He consistently described a perfectly defensible inquiry into Russia's role in the 2016 election as a “witch hunt” and a "hoax," demonizing Robert Mueller, even as Mueller, in the end, couldn't find...

(Excerpt) Read more at nymag.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coupcucksclan; gop; impeachment; president; sorelosers; trump
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1 posted on 11/09/2019 3:06:11 PM PST by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

Andrew Sullivan of the Coup Cucks Clan weighs in...


2 posted on 11/09/2019 3:07:32 PM PST by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: Jyotishi

No, it’s a coup attempt over America’s Free Constitutional Republic by the Delusional Lying Left Fascists.


3 posted on 11/09/2019 3:07:56 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jyotishi

Democracy dies in darkness. Schiff is afraid of light.


4 posted on 11/09/2019 3:08:08 PM PST by Does so (.Democrats only believe in democracy when they win the election...)
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To: Jyotishi
Andrew Michael Sullivan is a British-born American author, editor, and blogger. Sullivan is a phony "conservative" political commentator, a former editor of The New Republic, and a complete cuck for the Democrats.
5 posted on 11/09/2019 3:09:56 PM PST by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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No, it’s a coup attempt over America’s Free Constitutional Republic by the Delusional Lying Left Fascists.

The Coup Cucks Clan. Andy here is one of those cucks.

6 posted on 11/09/2019 3:10:59 PM PST by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: Jyotishi
This is not just an impeachment. It's the endgame for Trump's relentless assault on the institutions, norms, and practices of America's liberal democracy for the past three years. It's also a deeper reckoning. It's about whether the legitimacy of our entire system can last much longer without this man being removed from office.

The American people chose President Trump in full awareness that he would assault the institutions, norms, and practices of America's deep state. That is why we elected him, and his actions are a campaign promise kept - and neither a high crime nor a misdemeanor. Impeaching the duly-elected President of the United States for acting in a lawful manner consistent with the campaign promises for which he was elected by the American voters is a very serious act. The coup plotters would be well advised to consider carefully before taking that step. I keep hoping and praying that the traitors will regain their sanity (assuming they were ever sane).

7 posted on 11/09/2019 3:15:51 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Wow. Talk about projection!


8 posted on 11/09/2019 3:16:38 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Pollster1
The American people chose President Trump in full awareness that he would assault the institutions, norms, and practices of America's deep state.

Precisely. The deep state is *not* American liberal democracy.

Trump is fighting back against liberal fascism, which has put deep tentacles into the American Constitutional Republic for the last 50 years, at least.

9 posted on 11/09/2019 3:19:00 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Jim 0216

Exactly, delusional left. The Democrats have continually assaulted the institutions of our Republic. The Democrats are trying to nullify the electoral college. The Democrats have used the Judiciary to over turn national customs. To over come Trumps Supreme Court picks the Democrats are talking about packing the Supreme Court. Oh, Obama was over turned by the Supreme Court ( and the Supreme Court was left of center at the time) than any President in American history. Then this guy writes this garbage? Really?


10 posted on 11/09/2019 3:19:08 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Jyotishi

Trump should make a deal, Obama can run against him this time around if...Trump can run for a third term too.


11 posted on 11/09/2019 3:22:26 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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Yes it a Dencrat Facist Party attempted coup of the US Govt.

Here is the problem for the Democrat Fascists and their toadies in the Fake New Media. We will let them assume EVERYTHING is true and accurate in the “transcripts. We allow this nonsense of hearsay, feeling and assumptions to be allowed as “evidence”.

There is still no crime here. Nothing in the “transcripts” displays a crime

If Quid Pro Quo is a “Crime” Joe Biden is guilty of one while VP. Watch the video of him bragging about it.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

The President would have a legal obligation to investigate this “crime” So if it is a crime, Trump was doing his duty, it is is NOT a crime what Biden did, neither is Trump guilty of anything.

It is either a crime or it is not. It cannot be a crime for Trump but not for Biden. If it is a crime, Trump is legally obligated to help investigate Bidens actions. .

Either way there is no legal standing to this continuing farce in the US House.


12 posted on 11/09/2019 3:24:20 PM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Jyotishi

Sullivan hasn’t died of aids yet?


13 posted on 11/09/2019 3:29:12 PM PST by Grampa Dave (If we have a civil war, the winners will be our enemies: Iran, China, Mexico, & Deep State)
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To: Jyotishi

He’s right. It’s a witch hunt and an unconstitutional bill of attainder.


14 posted on 11/09/2019 3:33:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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Liberals only believe in democracy when they win.


15 posted on 11/09/2019 3:33:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Jyotishi

Sullivan is putting some howlers out there.

/Eyeroll


16 posted on 11/09/2019 3:34:33 PM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine)
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Hey Andrew, bend over, this is coming your way:!

Clusters of Drug-Resistant Diarrhea Found Among Gay And Bisexual Men [Calling Captain Obvious]


17 posted on 11/09/2019 3:39:37 PM PST by Grampa Dave (If we have a civil war, the winners will be our enemies: Iran, China, Mexico, & Deep State)
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To: kiryandil
Guys like him remind me of Robert De Niro who can't even define what it is Trumps done, they just run their mouths....

Here's De Niro's recent Tv appearence and what he said.......

" [The president] has done 'something wrong'..... He has to pay for that. He has to be put on notice, pay for it...has to be accountable period!".....

HAHAHA! but what 'something wrong' has he done?????


18 posted on 11/09/2019 3:41:10 PM PST by caww
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To: Jyotishi

I think Andrew Sullivan has overdosed on shmekel.


19 posted on 11/09/2019 3:42:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: marktwain
Wow. Talk about projection!

><><><><>>>><><>><>>>><><><><><>Man oh man, Illl second that.....unless Sullivan is OK with Deep State at the controls of this country.

20 posted on 11/09/2019 3:43:50 PM PST by chiller (As Davey Crockett once said: Be sure you're right. Then go ahead. I'm goin' ahead.)
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