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Trump’s First Impeachment Win
The Atlantic ^ | October 31, 2019 | Russell Berman

Posted on 10/31/2019 10:47:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The House’s resolution should have been the easiest for Republicans to go along with. None of them did.

So this is how the impeachment of President Donald Trump is going to go.

The House this morning cast its first vote in a process that could lead to just the third Senate impeachment trial of a president in U.S. history. When Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced plans for the vote earlier this week, there was at least some promise of drama: Which House Democrats would defect? How many Republicans might defy Trump to back a formal impeachment inquiry that a few of them had signaled their support for?

After all, this was a vote that Republicans and the White House had been demanding for weeks—an official resolution that took the ambiguity and the secrecy out of the closed-door process Democrats had been conducting, a means of forcing every lawmaker to go on record in support of or in opposition to the impeachment inquiry. Pelosi, who had resisted holding such a vote for more than a month, had given in.

Yet when lawmakers gathered in the House chamber this morning, the actual tally turned out to be like so many others in Congress: party-line and partisan, a mere formality. Not a single House Republican voted with Democrats to affirm the impeachment. Not Representative Mark Amodei of Nevada, who had briefly backed the inquiry in the early going. Or Representative Will Hurd of Texas, the ex-CIA officer who earlier this month called Trump’s demand that Ukraine investigate former Vice President Joe Biden “terrible.” Or even Representative Francis Rooney of Florida, who had voiced his openness to impeachment and then promptly announced his retirement from Congress.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 116th; congress; couppeachment; declassification; democrats; fbi; fisa; impeachment; pelosi; republicans; trump; trumpukraine
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To: NELSON111

Yup.

Democrats run a Star Chamber and have the chutzpah to call it an inquiry

There’s nothing fair, nonpartisan and judicious about it.

Its a partisan vendetta dressed up as impeachment.


41 posted on 10/31/2019 11:51:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Yes, but this is moving in that direction.
They’re generating the perception that Trump was impeached.
They’re making steps, however partisan, toward actual legal impeachment.

Doesn’t mean he’ll be removed from office. They’re just trying to get to the point of having him at least practically, if not officially, marked “impeached”.

It’s an exercise in perception.
And, at this point, it’s all they have.


42 posted on 10/31/2019 11:54:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: ctdonath2

All Democrats showed us is they’re tinpot dictators. That too is perception.


43 posted on 10/31/2019 11:56:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NELSON111

Were he actually impeached, we’d know from the popping sounds nationwide.


44 posted on 10/31/2019 11:57:36 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: goldstategop
>>>Its a partisan vendetta dressed up as impeachment.

Are you worried?

Because I'm not. And I'm not so sure why I see all the chicken little's here on FR making such a fuss about it. It's almost like none (or very few) have actually ever been in combat before.

When you see your enemy shooting themselves in the foot - LET THEM! This is the most ridiculous thing anyone can imagine and when the FACTS of it all are exposed for all the world to see in a trial in the Senate - which Trump will put on in spectacular fashion (my family was big fans of "The Apprentice" and the man knows how to put on a show) - the Dems will walk away from this stinking to high heaven - and more than a few of them will probably be facing criminal inquiries of their own...including the Bidens.

That's the reason (I believe) their plan is to run this impeachment shame in the media but NEVER actually let it pass and get to the Senate. I think Nancy has enough democrats in Trump districts to vote "no." She knows for a fact this will cost her the speakership if it goes to trial in the Senate.

The ONLY way this can possibly be a win for her is if she can drag him through the mud in the media in the house without allowing him to clear his name and destroy his critics in the Senate. Hence the reason I think he never gets impeached.

But if he does - he will nuke the dems during his trial - just watch.

45 posted on 10/31/2019 12:00:10 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The House GOP effort has been brilliant. Force Ds into illegal, unethical, crazy rules violations that=immediate senate dismissal.


46 posted on 10/31/2019 12:00:49 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No GOP defections is highly significant IMHO.

They successfully defined this as a partisan political fight, which all impeachment is by definition.

Now, when the bias of all the witnesses is exposed it will play to the same meme.

Exposure of Ciaramella was equally significant. His entire, enabled scheme will be exposed as partisan conspiracy.

And Schitt will expose himself as the biased, partisan hack presiding over an unfair process on national, even worldwide TV.

I still don’t think they’ll have 218 votes at the end.


47 posted on 10/31/2019 12:02:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ctdonath2
>>>Were he actually impeached, we’d know from the popping sounds nationwide.

As I just stated in another post - impeachment is the best thing that could possibly happen to PDJT. Don't be short-sighted. If he's impeached - he gets a trial and gets to FINALLY defend himself mano a mano against these turkeys. He gets to call witnesses and subpoena documents. He will scorch the earth.

By the time he's done - the deep state will be exposed with their junk hanging out. Just watch.

48 posted on 10/31/2019 12:02:51 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never forget that the Clinton’s were involved in all three.
Hillary was kicked off the Nixon investigation for corruption.


49 posted on 10/31/2019 12:12:58 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: NELSON111

This. Let them hold their impeachment. Let the truth come out. It’s not like the Senate will ever vote to remove Trump anyway.


50 posted on 10/31/2019 12:32:28 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: Hostage

“It’s ‘The Atlantic’. Tells you all you need to know.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It tells me that the left is not happy with the way the sham impeachment is being rolled out.

This article would piss me off if I were a Never-Trumper.


51 posted on 10/31/2019 12:33:11 PM PDT by Ken H (Crooked Hillary => Queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, personification of rot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was bi-partisan opposition to this resolution and only one party support.


52 posted on 10/31/2019 12:35:10 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Buckeye McFrog
So impeachment is a dead letter.

You mean conviction/removal in the senate is dead. Impeachment in the House is possible.

53 posted on 10/31/2019 12:35:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Mozart tells you what it's like to be human. Bach tells you what it's like to be the universe.)
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To: livius

“It’s flim flam. They voted to develop a process, not to start proceedings, and in the meantime, the Dems can keep their secrecy and prevent GOPers from asking questions.

“This is not what GOP reps were asking for, but just another Schiff-Pelosi tricky maneuver.”

Yep you nailed it.


54 posted on 10/31/2019 12:38:08 PM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pelosi is scared she will loss the Majority. I think the vote was to get support from her grassroots. Here is one of her postings as follows: Nancy Pelosi is insulted with her grassroots supporters because her goal month deadline is still short 2379 grassroots donations of $5 dollars or $11895 by midnight today. She is so afraid of losing her Majority. Her reason she stated was Trumps MASSIVE $13 million cash haul. Seems her 6 grassroots supports from my area have not answered her request She says she risk losing all of her progress to Donald Trump and his Republicans -— again.
She don't stomach that happening.
She pleads for help to expand her majority before her most important deadline since she reclaimed the Speaker's gavel.
If you give a generous gift before midnight she will triple match yours. This is her message to her grassroots.
55 posted on 10/31/2019 12:40:32 PM PDT by Don_Ret_USAF ("No Government can survive Without The Trust Of The People."er)
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To: LS

The House GOP effort has been brilliant. Force Ds into illegal, unethical, crazy rules violations that=immediate senate dismissal.***

Yep.

But, as has been mentioned in chatter, what if many dems are subpoenaed (Schiff et al) to bring out all of the muck, lies etc etc which will be-or should be-career ending for a bunch of them?


56 posted on 10/31/2019 12:44:06 PM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Posted on 10/31/2019, 1:47:55 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

The House’s resolution should have been the easiest for Republicans to go along with. None of them did.

So this is how the impeachment of President Donald Trump is going to go.

Darn tootin !

57 posted on 10/31/2019 12:46:35 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Syncro
“It’s flim flam. They voted to develop a process, not to start proceedings, and in the meantime, the Dems can keep their secrecy and prevent GOPers from asking questions.

That's right !

58 posted on 10/31/2019 12:48:25 PM PDT by timestax
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To: ctdonath2

‘need about 3% of otherwise Trump voters to withhold their votes.’

yes, a small shift in the popular vote, and the EV markedly changes...3% would just about do it...


59 posted on 10/31/2019 12:50:52 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yeah, Collins and Murkowski worry me the most. But one of them will be nullified my Manchin.


60 posted on 10/31/2019 12:51:22 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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