Skip to comments.Brexit: No 10 to push again for vote on Boris Johnson's deal
Posted on 10/20/2019 11:05:44 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Parliament must be given "a straight up-and-down vote" on the PM's Brexit deal, No 10 says, after MPs delivered a major blow to his strategy on Saturday.
Boris Johnson was forced by law to send a letter asking the EU for a new delay on Brexit, but did not sign it.
The PM now wants MPs to say a clear "yes" or "no" to the deal on Monday, adding: "We cannot allow Parliament's letter to lead to Parliament's delay." It will be up to Speaker John Bercow to decide whether to allow the vote.
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Before Boris gets his ‘up and down’ vote, some joker will get into this and draft up a measure where BJ’s deal must be evaluated, which will require a minimum of 30 days. That will be voted upon first, and thus cancel out the need for the ‘yes or no’ vote.
The remain crowd all believe that Merkel and Macron will save the day by stamping a 90-day extension.
I do agree...this has become a five-star freak-show. It would be helpful to conclude this, and have another national election. But at this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if the remain folks attempt a second referendum stance and vote. They might even suggest a national ‘yes or no’ vote on the deal now offered by the EU.
Brexit will happen on Oct. 31 despite PMs unsigned delay request, UK says
What Brexit followers seem to miss is the very real and powerful Trump factor.
Parliament cannot suspend the PM from entering a trade agreement with the United States in the same spirit of USMCA with the UK granted favorable trade status.
The US is now a worldwide oil and gas exporter with proven reserves that dwarf those of Saudi Arabia.
The US can designate the UK to be the trade policy broker for all US oil & gas into the European continent. The commissions alone will make the UK very rich.
The US economy is larger than all of the EU.
Britain’s future with the US is more lucrative for them than any trade agreement with the EU, and less interfering.
There is no downside. The EU can attempt to retaliate against the UK for entering an ‘unauthorized’ trade agreement with the US by hammering tariffs on British goods sold into the EU.
But it won’t work because the US on behalf of its prime trading partner the UK will retaliate against the EU by imposing powerful debilitating tariffs on EU goods coming into the US.
In short, if the EU starts a trade war against the UK for making a trade agreement with the US, the US retaliation will devastate the EU. The EU loses.
I’d like to think that is true but I doubt the US would be willing to lose money just to prop up the UK.
UK under Boris deal loses Ireland, and we call the Iran deal crappy.
Now is time for the Commonwealth to come back with help for the Queen, and America to lead the Commonwealth.
Trump identifies his lineage back to UK. We already have deals with Canada and Australia and adding UK is a natural
What Boris needs to do is a Clean Break Brexit with an
agreement with Nigel Farage Brexit Party. The polls
show 55 percent of UK voters will back the next election
to throw the Labor anti Brexit bums out.
Financially, NI would be no loss to the UK, but abandoning them to the Irish republicans would be no way to treat some of the staunchest and most loyal British citizens we have, especially when it is done to appease people who hate us and had no qualms with blowing our people to pieces to get what they wanted.
That said, I don’t think this deal is quite that bad. It keeps NI in the UK and other than a few checks between GB and NI it won’t really be noticable. I suspect the problem is more one of principle with the Ulster Unionists than anything else.
It is in the US’s long term strategic interests to break up the socialist entity known as the EU. To that end, using UK as a lever would make sense.
It is amazing how the two Tony Blair “reforms” - the creation of a Supreme Court independent of the Queen in Parliament in 2009 and the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in 2011 - have essentially destroyed the inner workings of the Westminster System, which had worked tolerably well since 1660.
If 1/3 + 1 of Parliament is afraid of a General Election, they can keep a powerless “government” in place for almost five years, while the lawyers and radical Left run wild. And the law prevents the safety valve intervention of HMQ ordering a dissolution to force an election.
Perhaps that was the point of it all.
Apparently, Parliament under the FTPA and with the Supreme Court sold out to globalism can prevent the PM from going to the bathroom without permission.
Both of these were enacted well past Tony Blair’s term in office - why do you say they were Tony’s “reforms”?
I do agree that the Fixed term parliaments act has destroyed the inner workings of Westminster, but that act was enacted by David Cameron as a sop for his coalition with the Liberal Democrats.
The UK lost most of Ireland in 1920 when Ireland got independence
Now is time for the Commonwealth to come back with help for the Queen,
Why would India, etc. do that? The Queen is separately Queen of Canada, of England-Wales, of Scotland, of Australia etc. - separately as those are separate, independent countries. Besides which, what help does the Queen want? Or are you talking about help for Boris?
and America to lead the Commonwealth. --??? The USA to join the commonwealth?!
The President’s ancestry is 50% Scottish and 50% German. No English.
Mother’s side: Scottish
Father’s side: German - from Bavaria and Hesse
Farage's party is not in the UK parliament. The Tories won't ally with Farage - not even Boris. Because if the Brexit party runs for elections, it will split the vote. There is no point in Boris wanting to share with a one-horse party
Also most of Labour is ambivalent about Brexit - Corbyn in particular has been, like the rest of the communist part of Labour, anti-EU and pro-leave.
The anti-Brexit bunch are the LibDems.
Just to clarify the origins of those two reforms... the Supreme Court was undoubtedly conceived by Blair, even though not launched until after he’d handed over to Brown: but the FTPA was all Cameron, part of his coalition deal with the LibDems.
As for ‘1/3 of Parliament afraid of a general elction’, I don’t think that’s true. Everybody wants an election, and knows that there’ll have to be one. But Corbyn isn’t going to agree to an election on a date fixed for Johnson’s convenience. One of the unintended consequences of the FTPA is that the date of an election earlier than the fixed term becomes in itself a political football, since it requires bipartisan agreement. That was never the case previously
They have a Zombi legislature now and Corbin knows an election to clear the logjam will see Labour voted out.
Nigel has proposed a coalition with conservatives to
get rid of remoaners.
Scotland is British, and Trump’s mother was a staunch royalist, as he was keen to point out when he visited Britain not so long ago.
So we have a half-British president leading the US and an American born Prime Minister leading the UK. A pretty good time for UK-US relations given the links both leaders have with the other nation.
Well and Hesse is British through Prince Phillip :)
He’s half-Scottish and half-German.
And the British PM is quarter Turk.
It’s a mixed up world
The US and the US Oil & Gas industry, especially, LNG would not lose money, it will make literally boatloads of money.
Trump has been pushing US products into Europe which desperately needs US imports such as LNG. POTUS wants construction of about 12 new ports for US products and it will be much much easier to have the Brits act as brokers for Europe both politically and practically.
US companies need friendly infrastructure partners to sell into Europe and the Brits have the expertise and the financial centers to facilitate and establish new lines of trade.
Read the linked news above. PM Johnson complied with their law to send a letter but he did not sigh it. He instead sent other letters that he did sign telling the EU he does not want any extension.
Parliament’s law required Boris Johnson to send a letter and he did. It did not require him to do anything else. He sent the letter unsigned. The letter requests an extension and it is called the ‘Parliament’s Letter’. It is not the PM letter.
Parliament has run out of time. The PM will follow through with a no-deal Brexit. To stop the PM at this point, MPs will need to vote to abolish or replace the PM. That’s not going to happen in the time remaining although there will be MPs that will surely try,
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