Posted on 10/14/2019 7:26:01 AM PDT by Cronos
JACOB Rees-Mogg has told Brexiteers to trust Boris Johnson to broker a deal with Brussels but warned to “expect compromise”.
The Tory arch-Brexiteer said that concessions with EU chiefs were “inevitable” but the PM could be trusted to “deliver”.
...Mr Rees-Mogg wrote in The Telegraph: “In the final stages of the Brexit negotiation, compromise will inevitably be needed, something even the staunchest Leavers recognise albeit unwillingly - but as a Leaver Boris can be trusted.
"He wants to take back control and has dedicated his political career to this noble cause. If he thinks the ship of state is worth an extra ha'porth of tar he deserves support."
His comments came as the DUP fired a warning shot to the Prime Minister over a reported compromise to end the deadlock over the Northern Ireland backstop.
Deputy leader Nigel Dodds warned the mooted plan "cannot work".
This is a blow for Mr Johnson as he needs the support of the DUP to get his deal through Parliament.
It is believed the plan is currently being discussed by EU and UK officials in Brussels in the wake of Mr Johnson's secret meeting last week with Mr Varadkar in Cheshire.
Reports from the Belgian capital claimed the PM had sought to revive a proposal first put forward by Theresa May for a customs partnership between the UK and the EU.
The scheme, intended to avoid the need for customs controls on the island of Ireland, would see Northern Ireland remain politically in a customs union with the EU but it would be administered by the UK.
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This deal should get the backing of most of the Tory MPs with some Labour folks. And if Boris gives Scotland an independence referendum, he'll get the SNP to back it.
This would result in a deal by Oct 31 wherein NI remains in the EU customs union while rUK leaves the EU and the EU customs union (until Scotland rejoins).
This could be a grand victory for Boris and lead to his re-election
Farage has been worried about a late Boris collapse for some time now. And leaving part of the UK in the EU customs union is not Brexit.
No deal Brexit is better than caving to the EU in the 23rd hour.
well, 56% of NI voted to stay in the EU, so it might be better to let them stay.
That can ensure a Wexit -> Wales-England exit.
NI needs to pee or get off the pot. They are part of the UK or they are part of Ireland. They don’t have standing to design the UK’s ever-after enslavement in the EU.
And Nigel with some wisdom: https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1183659775961288704
And if they really want to go join Ireland, they can do so—through the right channels after and apart from Brexit.
It would be good to cut off NI and Scotland and let Wales-England have their WeXit.
Also, there is of course a world of difference between voting their preference in the Brexit referendum and voting to leave the UK.
they will do that in any case. What Boris is going to do is leave the Northern Irish how they want - in the EU customs union.
Nearly 60% of NI voters want that.
Reunification will happen after Wexit
Yeah but Ireland ain’t UK, or shouldn’t be.
true - and that (leaving the UK) should happen after WeXit.
For now, Boris is doing the right thing to break the stalemate - he’s cutting off NI, leaving them where they want to be - in the EU customs union and still in the UK.
LEAVE MEANS LEAVE
UK IN,...OR OUT? (no UK)
Putting Northern Ireland outside the GB single market and customs union and single market whilst nominally still part of the UK is probably the best way forward, with the caveate that this must gain and retain the consent of the people of Northern Ireland, regardless of DUP objections. Doing this against the explicit consent of the Northern Irish people WOULD be a violation of the good friday agreement.
Doesn’t matter what they want. The referendum was at the UK level and at the UK level it should be executed.
Boris is being too cute by half here.
And no—the right thing to break the stalemate is what the UK voted for. Brexit plain and simple. And if that is a No-Deal Brexit in two weeks, all the better at this point.
It looks like the nations in the British union that voted leave (England and Wales) le9, while the nations that voted 56% or 60% to remain (Northern Ireland and Scotland) would look for a way to remain.
Boris gives everyone what they want. A great victory
At the total union level? The individual nations get no say?
Not really. As a summary with sources, here’s the relevant bit from Wikipedia:
“The Agreement also makes reference to the UK and Ireland as “partners in the European Union”, and it was argued in R (Miller) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union that the Agreement meant that the consent of Northern Ireland’s voters was required to leave the European Union (Brexit). The UK Supreme Court unanimously held that this was not the case,[30] but the Agreement has nevertheless strongly shaped the form of Brexit.
During the negotiations on Britain’s planned 2019 withdrawal from the European Union, the EU produced a position paper on its concerns regarding support of the Good Friday Agreement by the UK during Brexit. The position paper addresses topics including the avoidance of a hard border, the North-South cooperation between Ireland and Northern Ireland, the birthright of all of the people of Northern Ireland (as set out in the Agreement), and the Common Travel Area.[31][32] Anyone born in Northern Ireland, and thus entitled to an Irish passport by the Good Friday Agreement, will also be able to retain EU citizenship after Brexit.[33] Under the European Union negotiating directives for Brexit, the UK was asked to satisfy the other EU members that these topics had been addressed in order to progress to the second stage of Brexit negotiations. In order to protect North-South co-operation and avoid controls on the Irish border, the UK, led by Prime Minister Theresa May, agreed to protect the Agreement in all its parts and “in the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom would maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement”, with the acknowledgement that this is “[u]nder the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed”.[29][34][35][36] This provision formed part of a UK-EU deal which was rejected by the British parliament on three occasions.[37] It i”s now the position of May’s successor, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, that this so called “Irish backstop” must be removed from the proposed agreement.[38]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement
That is how the referendum worked. If the individual nations want out, there is a process for that (with, of course, NI now also needing Ireland to want them).
If Britain rides roughshod over NI by placing it in the EU customs zone without their consent there will be trouble, it would need democratic legitimacy via a referendum in Northern Ireland first. I doubt there are enough hard-brexit supporting unionist die hards to vote for keeping NI in the UK single market and customs union rather than the Irish one, so that consent will probably be forthcoming. NI would still be part of the UK though, just outside the rUK customs zone and single market. The DUP won’t like it, but the people of Northern Ireland as a whole will probably go for it given that moderate unionists will want it as well as almost everyone of a nationalist/republican pursuasion.
It really shouldn’t be up to them to pick and choose what sort of involvement any of the UK has with the EU, since the UK voted nationally to leave the EU.
Somewhat akin to our letting New Mexico decide that it wants to conduct business under Mexican trade rules, not those of the US.
If they really want out of the UK, NI, with Ireland’s agreement, can shift itself to Ireland. But of course, that’s not what they want.
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