US error I think.
I don’t think Article 5 means defending aggressor.
The Maoist country Kurdistan. That would be just great. Another communist country. Sounds like a absolutely “Wondeful” idea as you point out.
I don’t mind 86ing Turkey from NATO OTOH.
POTUS DJT is promising to cut off their credit card.
We are currently committed by treaty to defend TURKEY, NOT the Kurds.
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Jim, I don’t think we would be committed fo defending Turkey from action taken to destroy their invasion forces in Syria. I think that any forces being attacked by Turkey and their Islamist Arab allies have a right to counterattack the source of that invasion.
If Russian aircraft from Syria bomb the Turks, we should NOT interfere. We should not get involved. Let the chickens come home to roost for the Erdogan Turks.
For years I’ve thought we should evacuate Incirlik airbase and remove Turkey from NATO.
Hey hey hey... Let’s not forget the narrative!
Turkey does not commit genocide! Turkey has NEVER committed genocide! It’s all lies! :P
I’m only a few years out of my M.Sc. program, and I can still remember SJWs on campus handing out those placards depicting a gnarled, poisonous tree with “geNOcide” spelled out in the branches, and the blood-dripping: “An Armenian LIE Since 1915” spelled out in the roots.
/yes, sarc, (and that warning shouldn’t even be necessary, but, here we are.)
Credible back channels reporting that part of the Secret Iran Nuclear Deal was paying the Kurds to cover ISIS in Syria where a warehouse of Uranium One product is stored. The Iranians were to continue their nuclear testing in that part of Syria. Sum of All Fears.
There are photos of McCain with ISIS at one of those warehouses. Eric Prince of the private military mercenary group known as Blackwater was known to have provided McCain’s group security into the area. Blackwater was banned in many places in the region and came back under the name Frontier Services Group. FSG was founded using Chinese state money.
With the withdrawal of US troops from Syria, the funding for the Kurds goes away which means the warehouse is exposed to whoever comes in behind and ‘discovers it’.
Credible dot-connectors say POTUS’s motive is twofold 1) keep a campaign promise 2) cause Uranium One to be exposed.
We’ll see what unfolds. For now the above is being heavily attacked by the usual suspects as a conspiracy theory.
Turkey has experience with that going back to Armenia.
The sleazy media keeps blaming Trump....
Thank you! More sense in four simple sentences than in the past four days and nights of endless blather from DC politicians
NATO allies are not obliged to come to the assistance of a NATO member that is attacking another country, it is a strictly defensive alliance. Turkey is blatantly the aggressor and so they should be left to whatever fate awaits them for what they are doing.
We'd be far more prosperous and secure if we had defense treaties with none of them.
Thank you! More sense in four simple sentences than all in all the past four days and nights of endless blather from DC politicians.
Defending Turkey does not mean helping them invade another country. If Erdogan wants to invade Syria to go after the Kurds and risk fighting Russian backed Syrians in the process, he can go it alone. It looks like that just may well happen.
Watching news reports of this situation in Syria, most Americans probably don’t even know that Turkey is a member of NATO, and wouldn’t have a clue explaining going to war against an ally, and how that might push Turkey into the arms of the Russians. The MSM describe the Kurds as our “allies,” but they are so only in an informal, ad hoc sense (fighting ISIS), whereas Turkey is a formal ally by treaty.
You really brought out a bunch of armchair Generals and Historians on this thread bro. Bravo.
Turkey should have been ejected from NATO in 1973 following the Conquest of Cyprus.
That we stayed in NATO when that didn’t happen is a terrible black stain upon the United States.
And that this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnKbTJSakk
remains is an ongoing blot.
The Kurds aren’t really better though, and if they can’t win their desired homeland through conquest then there is zero chance they could maintain one were it given to them. Its asking for endless war where we die as proxy for two sides that both hate free people.
If we are going to try to make anything better then let’s declare war and throw Turkey out of Cyprus first and see how that goes. Short of a declared war which would enable us to use enough force to get the job done, lets not throw lives away.
I think we should expel Turkey from NATO!
“If our NATO partner and ally by treaty Turkey is conducting genocide and war crimes against the Kurds, then perhaps we should call on all our NATO partners and allies to condemn Turkey? “
They have. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Norway and the U.K. have condemned Erodgan’s actions. Germany and France have halted arms sales to Turkey. Politicians in Denmark are demanding Denmark follow its Nordic friends in halting arms sales to Turkey. Spain is threatening to remove Spain’s NATO contingent from Turkey.