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1 posted on 10/12/2019 7:39:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 10/12/2019 7:46:14 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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Senator Lindsey Graham said the decision is “a catastrophe in the making.”

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Criticism from Graham usually means you’re doing the right thing.


3 posted on 10/12/2019 7:52:37 AM PDT by Starboard
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The Syrian civil war was planned by the West and did not lead to the “rise’ of ISIS, Bush and obama policy failures in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS, The US military released the elusive mysterious leader of ISIS from an Iraq war prisoner camp,

ISIS became a sharp instrument the Clinton/ obama State Department and perhaps “ other” nations thought could be used to tear Syria apart and hobble an Assad-Russian defeat of Western backed regime change, The barbaric cruelties of ISIS were of less concern than toppling Assad.

My two cents, Ashamed the US military was used this way before Trump


4 posted on 10/12/2019 7:53:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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Bflr.


5 posted on 10/12/2019 7:56:40 AM PDT by Prince of Space (UNBORN LIVES MATTER!)
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To: SeekAndFind; Fred Nerks

This is a well written article on the Kurd situation in Syria.

President Trumps policy is accurate and one must remember that the Kurdish fight has been going on for over 100 years. Also Most Kurds are Sunni while the Iranians and much of the rest of Syria are Shiite.

The Kurds have a successful, great enclave in Northern Iraq, which is where they all should go to balance the Shiite influence in Iraq.

The Turks want control of the oil pipeline which comes up through Syria into Turkey, upon which the Turkish economy relies.Once that is secured, they will likely leave the Kurds to their own devices.

The extended problem will be when Iran and Russia start arming the Kurds to fight Turkey, keeping the region at instability for their own purposes of cutting off the oil supply to Turkey and the West. Ame4rica makes a lot of oil now, and doesn’t care as much as the EU should.


7 posted on 10/12/2019 7:59:50 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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It’s sick. These critics can pay attention to what’s going on on our own southern border.

They can also go to a greet the dead ceremony at Dover AFB

From my perspective we went the desert to get Hussein ot of Kuwait. That was a stretch. Cheney, ghwbush, Powell James Baker

The deal would be that we stop depending on the oil in the region so we would never have to be involved with those wackos again. First hand, I experienced the hatred those people have for us. And that’s the “allies” I’m talking about.

But that administration and the following, Clinton, administration increases our dependence on them and their oil by over 50%

Wha?

No war for oil. That wasn’t just a leftist hippie I hate republicans poster.

It took Trump to get us away from that dependence and out of fighting in the region.

The Syrian Kurds ok. Well maybe Liz Cheney can go over there. See how she can help them out. Bow to the saudis. Stop by Walter reed on her way out


8 posted on 10/12/2019 8:00:12 AM PDT by stanne
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“The Syrian civil war which led to the rise of ISIS is over and the bloody dictator in Damascus won...”

” For our national interests, we too must “mind to keep” our powder dry and not squander our resources on others’ wars. Let’s put Syria in the rearview mirror.”

Good article.

Amen to that.


9 posted on 10/12/2019 8:02:31 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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With Obama it could be assumed that most of what he did was based on fear and ignorance. With Trump the opposite is true. I believe he can be trusted.


13 posted on 10/12/2019 8:17:19 AM PDT by Spok
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I’m not from the US but I have been a Trump supporter up till now. I understand why he pulled US troops out, but it was a very cynical move that could have waited another 12 months. Turkey with Erdogan at the helm will slaughter as many Kurds as possible, and they are one of the few genuine moderates in that region.

Trump has betrayed these allies and many of them will die as a result of his decision. I can’t think of any reasonable justification for this other than saving a few dollars. The Isis prisoners were all celebrating the news of the Turkish invasion. They know Erdogan is on their side. His son was buying oil from them and funding their jihad.

I expected Trump to value loyalty. Erdogan is one of the biggest forces of evil in the region and Trump has given him a green light to slaughter these people.


16 posted on 10/12/2019 8:22:02 AM PDT by winslow
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Just how big is the Kurdish lobby in our country to get so many politicians to support them? Who supplies the Kurdish lobbying resources? How many pictures do we have to see of dead/wounded Kurdish babies before we realize that Americans are being played for suckers. Let The EU and ME take care of politics/war fighting in their back yard and we will focus on our own hemisphere for a while.


18 posted on 10/12/2019 8:25:18 AM PDT by Savage Rider
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OK here is what is happening in Syria. We have 50 troops there plus some weapons makers who are testing weapons in limited live combat conditions. We are keeping this little war going, not to protect the Kurds, but to test military AI. We are literally running product tests for American AI weapons that are being tested on the Turks and Syrians.

This is not a real war. Its a limited battle that we keep going. It’s whole purpose is a test lab. Its like a war game. But in this case its live, so there are real casualties.


20 posted on 10/12/2019 8:32:09 AM PDT by poinq
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Another consideration, is the conflict between Kurdish groups.

Some of our Kurdish allies in Iraq, the KDP Party (associated with the Barzani Tribe), headquartered in Erbil, get along with the Turks, but have serious conflicts with the Syrian Kurdish PYD Party (associated with the officially terrorist designated PKK Party), who have taken control of the Kurdish areas in Syria.

The Kurdish Party now controlling areas of Syria, are followers of Abdullah Öcalan (called Apo, or “Uncle” in English) - the same as the PKK. PKK conducted decades of terrorist attacks in Turkey, killing tens of thousands - far more than the IRA ever did in England. PKK has traditionally been a cult-like Marxist guerrilla movement, which has tried to re-brand itself in recent years, and gain International acceptability through its fight against ISIS (which had sought to eradicate the PKK Kurds).

After consolidating control in Syria, the PKK affiliated local PYD Party excluded other Kurdish Political Parties from participating in politics, and has gone about establishing a one-Party political system, with heavy indoctrination in the schools. Long term, that is a threat to Turkey.


22 posted on 10/12/2019 8:43:23 AM PDT by BeauBo
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*** the bloody dictator in Damascus won, ***

So effing sick of propaganda. Like it or not, Assad is the legitimate head of the Secular Syrian Government.

And the poor Kurds? Funny they want their autonomous state in Syria’s lucrative oilfields. The US needs to leave Syria completely. Out of Deir Ezzor. Out of Al Tanf.


25 posted on 10/12/2019 9:27:29 AM PDT by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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Senator Lindsey Graham said the decision is “a catastrophe in the making.” Representative Lin Cheney said it’s “a catastrophic mistake.” Former UN Secretary Nikki Haley said, “We must always have the backs of our allies.”

Hey you forgot Mittens in your Neocon list.

26 posted on 10/12/2019 9:32:07 AM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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“President Trump has answered these critics.”

He Has? Could have fooled me.


43 posted on 10/12/2019 5:44:23 PM PDT by Valin
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