I look at the backlash to Trump’s decision and have to ask myself, is Trump doing this to turn the nation hawkish? A lot of liberals I spar with are finding themself in the awkward position of being against removing our troops from the middle east.
I’ve wanted them out of Syria for a very long time.
Hand him a rifle and say he is free to go back and fight.
I suspect he hasn’t been there in 10 years
A name or fake news.
What is the vital US Security interest involved in the US giving the Kurd’s a US backed military shield to hide behind while they continue their separatists attacks on the internationally recognized Governments of Iran, Iraq and Turkey?
So were just suppose to endlessly continue the “Emperor of Earth” polices of the last 4 US Presidents? We suppose to write a blank check payable in US blood and treasure to every oppressed group everywhere?
Frankly I prefer Trump’s return to the pre Bush family traditional US policy. Bush the 1st made a massive mistake ending our “Over the Horizon” posture in the ME. By failing to decisively win Desert Storm in 1991 Bush locked us in a full body hug with the Middle East tar-baby ever since.
It is time the USA start figuring out how to pry ourselves off that mess. Like the Border Crisis Congress’s complete lack of any responsible action over Obama/Clinton/Biden/McCain’s misguided adventure in Syria required the President to take action.
Now that we are a energy exporter, for the 1st time since the 1960s, our national security interest in protecting the flow of oil out of the ME is greatly reduced. It is time we start re-thinking all our national polices. However, Congress has shown they will not act unless forced to it by the Executive.
The commentary on TV about abandoning our allies is preposterous because whether some people here think Turkey is a good ally or not the fact is that Turkey is a nato ally and remember when everyone was saying that trump was not sufficiently committed to our European allies?
I’m certainly not a fan of the current government of Turkey but I still wouldn’t be able to pretend that the kurds are our only ally in this situation.
Which muzzies are the good ones? The caliphate ones or the hard core marxists? Which one are you?
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“”” “I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The hardened service member is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria. “””
A “distraught” “hardened service member” of the “Special Forces” (who shouldn’t be talking to the msm).
Gimme a break
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The “Kurds” had a country for three years by one treaty but it was canceled out by another treaty. This was after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire who the Kurds had actually joined with.
The UK and France were involved in those treaties but not the USA.
Ethnically, the Kurds are NW Iranians. The majority are Muslim and some are communists. They mostly live on a mountain range that spans four countries. They also span those four countries.
Sorry if previous presidents got their hopes up or used them but this shit’s got to stop somewhere.
My only question would be. Were they warned?
“...“The Kurds are as close to Western thinking in the Middle East as anyone,” said the longtime member of Special Forces. “It’s a shame. We are just watching. It’s horrible.”...”
Should have read his area study before deploying.
The Kurds are not a monolithic people. The PKK are communists - they ain’t the Peshmerga.
The PKK have been a thorn in the side of Turkey for decades. Many of the provinces in eastern Turkey have majority Kurdish populations.
20 years ago we were reading about the PPK bombing school buses.
Lol. So maudlin.
They are still shameless.
Turn against their commander in chief.
Someone simply explain to the American people just how their sacrifice of blood and treasure in the Mideast quagmire makes them more secure.
Unless you want to take on Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria to carve out a country for the Kurds, there’s no reason for us to remain there.
Michelle Obama is in Special Forces?
‘I am ashamed for the first time in my career’
That’s her type of statement.
TOTAL FAKE NEWS.
We must consider that Turkey has a legitimate cause against the Kurds, who have been waging a separatist guerrilla war in Kurdish regions of Turkey - and then retreating into Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq and Iran. Take a moment to look at a map of stateless “Kurdistan” and you’ll see an area that spans the border areas of four nations - all of whom are fighting Kurdish separatists. This is yet another Deep State trap to pull us into a war that is none of our business, and President Trump is wisely extricating us from it. President Trump has vowed to destroy Turkey’s economy if Erdogan goes too far, and this president keeps his word.
“Turkey’s Syria invasion: Member of US Special Forces says, ‘I am ashamed for the first time (tr)”
I guess he’s PROUD of the fact that our policies in the 1970s led DIRECTLY to the GENOCIDE of millions of Cambodians.
...or, more likely, he went to PUBLIC SCHOOL, where ‘inconvenient’ things like that are not discussed.
1) It is not his place to discuss this in the media. Not good form.
2) With that said, I wonder what the reaction to his statement would have been if it had been under a Resident Obama leadership? In that, is the reaction towards the soldier’s alleged comments based on an objective view of such comments or is it due to a partisan view of such comments.
When a politically driven policy meets reality.
Trump could lose some votes from the military.
When you fight with comrades, your own or your allies, there is a sense of honor that develops between you. You will protect each other at all costs. That is a feeling, a feeling of loyalty that does not leave you.
Yes, there is a sense of betrayal when you are told to stand back and watch as your friends are attacked.
Most people here are safe in their homes, so no matter what the policy is, their own safety is not at stake. It is also those same people who think they are the ones who deserve the policy we now have.
But those troops of ours whose lives have been put at some risk with our allies, are the very ones who are going to like this new policy the least.
They don’t view the new policy as “supporting” THEM.
First I don’t believe they found an active service member stationed in Syria willing to talk to the media on or off the record. Since we know the media has no problem making stuff up, I will discount this part of the story.
The Middle East has been in turmoil for a very long time, some would say it goes back to the Romans invading Egypt.
There are factions within factions all with their own answer and a willingness to kill those that don’t agree with them. Only overwhelming military force and a willingness to be brutal may bring a sort of peace to the region. But as we seen with the Russians in Afghanistan even that does not work.
It is way past time for the Western world to pull back out of the Middle East and allow the various factions fight it out. Peace will come when they are all dead or just exhausted from killing each other.
One fact that I can say with certainty is that the West can not impose peace on the region.
People seem to forget Turkey is a formal ally in NATO.
First of all, this member of the Special Forces should just file a whistleblower complaint and move to get the President impeached. It’s all the rage, don’t cha know.
Secondly, I think the GOP Congress critters who oppose Trump on this are doing so based on principle. I can see their point, leaving the coop on the fox’s promise to be nice to the chickens doesn’t seem a good idea to me. Having said that, why are we concentrating on Syria when it is now obvious that China is 1930’s Japan? We have a REAL problem there and WE armed our greatest enemy.
Thirdly, the democrats are making hay out of this but could care the less about the Kurds (unless they wanted to immigrate here and vote democrat, then the concern would be real). The democrats are merely the contrarian party. If Trump was for increasing troop levels, they would be calling him a baby killer and sucking code pink on him.
Our beloved Constitution gives to Congress the duty to declare war.