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Sen. David Perdue OKs Silicon Valley Takeover of College Graduate Job Market
Breitbart ^ | Neil Munro

Posted on 09/25/2019 7:36:18 PM PDT by lone star annie

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BREAKING ON LOU DOBBS: 386 BLOCKED FOR NOW...

Durbin is blocking bill—No he is not a hero...HE IS BLOCKING BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH GREEN CARDS PROVIDED IN THE BILL...SHEESH!!!

Dobbs added that Lee wants to passed by tomorrow by Unanimous Consent...so keep an eye out for movement.

KEEP CALLING SENATORS, START CONTACTING PRESIDENT TRUMP.


81 posted on 09/26/2019 4:28:01 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

82 posted on 09/26/2019 5:21:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: entropy12

On the side issue, in a capitalist system such as ours, the corporations & the very rich have more power over politicians than the middle class. Because that class makes bigger political donations.


IMHO We have a crony-capitalism based system. It is not true capitalism. This bill is based on money and crony capitalism and is targeting and benefiting a specific group. It does not MAGA.

The H-1B Visa program is not based on merit—It is based on money...(and ageism to a lesser extent). If the program was based on merit, then I am guessing at least 30-60% of the candidates on H-1B Visas would not be hired. Though I cannot quantify this statement, I say that because I have 4 family members in Tech/Stem careers with first-hand experience with H-1B Visa program and workers. I also say that because of the countless stories about American workers having to train their foreign cheap-labor express replacements before they were booted out the door.

From what you say, since they can make bigger bribes, our voting means nothing when Zuckerberg can buy as many elected “representatives” that we, as legal residents of our given states send to do the will of we the people.

I am sticking with Dobbs’ description...”The bill is an assault of the middle class...”

LOL love the names they choose for these bills... “Fairness for high skilled immigrants” bill...what an Orwellian name.


83 posted on 09/26/2019 7:30:13 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: entropy12

One of my 2 kids is working in STEM area. And she is doing really well right in the heart of India stronghold of silicon valley. Both my kids are American born citizens while I am just a naturalized US citizen from way back in 1970.


I have 3 working in STEM area...And spouse. One of my kids has MS and works in the “India stronghold of Silicon Valley” ~ in San Jose, so I have a really good handle on what is going on in the area...And they are doing really well too—but there are many who are not...

BTW, I have no problem with naturalized citizens or foreigners...I just think the immigration rate is too high—such that we as a country are not assimilating immigrants as well as in the past. I enjoy meeting and gathering with people from different cultures—learning new skills, customs, etc. In fact I lived in married student/grad student housing at 2 universities with people from all over the globe...and even made some lifelong friends...

However, now there are too many Americans under employed who could and should be taking these jobs. These tech jobs are not the landscaping jobs supposedly no one wants to do that the South American and Mexicans are taking*...

I believe we are the only country that sells out jobs to foreigners first instead of giving priority to US citizens—tho I believe the H-1B regs state we should be doing this.

If our US citizens are not able to fill positions, why are we not training them to master the necessary skills to do so? ...Our “capitalist” system seems to have money to take care of every need of all illegal aliens crossing our border** yet we cannot train millennials and 50-somethings who have fallen thru the cracks and are not even in the labor stats. (I know Freepers in this category.)...

Sorry, SB386 is not MAGA.

Please consider a call, email and/or TWEET President Trump ~ when campaigning, he did say he would put US workers first...at least steel and factory jobs...

*BTW, when my kids were preteens and teens, they had a difficult time trying to compete with the cheap-labor express lawn services...Guess that was a foreshadowing of what was to come...what they would be facing after earning adanced STEM degrees...

**Did you read the FR thread on the illegal alien mom who had SEVEN KIDS??


84 posted on 09/26/2019 7:52:56 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: entropy12

You said the key word to your child’s success in a foreigner dominated engineering industry: she. Women are relatively rare in engineering and HR departments want to recruit them and give them every chance to succeed. Companies compete for women engineers and will pay a premium to recruit them.


85 posted on 09/26/2019 8:02:52 PM PDT by Data Miner
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Daughter would have made a great engineer, she aced all her math courses, but she chose Biology major, and is working in Cancer treatment trials research & analysis funded by pharma. When she switched jobs from Seattle to Silicon valley, her wages went up 75% but cost of living is very high in Silicon Valley. Mediocre houses cost $2 million.


86 posted on 09/26/2019 8:10:34 PM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: Freedom56v2

Immigration rate is high but acceptable because our economy is doing better than any other country in the world.

My issue with admitting million plus legal immigrants every years is this...majority are sponsored by a relative living in US, with no minimum levels required for education/skills/wealth. My own aunt was sponsored by her daughter, she was in her early 70’s, received lifetime benefits for supplemental social security monthly checks, medicaid, food stamps. Yet she never paid a dime in any taxes. The least gov’t should do is make the sponsoring party support the immigrant.

I would prefer immigrants who either bring in wealth or have skills in demand in the US job market. That is what New Zealand does, and in addition they require passing English proficiency test. Immigrants admitted in United States have no such requirements.


87 posted on 09/26/2019 8:19:19 PM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: Freedom56v2

AGREED we are importing too many junk quality immigrants.

Importing STEM college graduates helps economy grow. America is creating more millionaires then ever and more than any other country. That shows there is STILL plenty of opportunities in America to succeed. There is nothing in the constitution which says if you have a college degree you are guaranteed success. America is and should be a land of OPPORTUNITY. That credo is why we are #1 economy in the world. Protectionism in the job market is not American.


88 posted on 09/26/2019 8:32:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: entropy12
America is creating more millionaires then ever and more than any other country.

For lasting success America also needs a middle class; when unbridled capitalism erodes the American middle class through salary depression, it saws off the branch on which it sits. It's not a viable long-term option for America.

89 posted on 09/26/2019 8:59:37 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: entropy12

Immigration rate is high but acceptable because our economy is doing better than any other country in the world.

My issue with admitting million plus legal immigrants every years is this...majority are sponsored by a relative living in US, with no minimum levels required for education/skills/wealth. My own aunt was sponsored by her daughter, she was in her early 70’s, received lifetime benefits for supplemental social security monthly checks, medicaid, food stamps. Yet she never paid a dime in any taxes. The least gov’t should do is make the sponsoring party support the immigrant.

I would prefer immigrants who either bring in wealth or have skills in demand in the US job market. That is what New Zealand does, and in addition they require passing English proficiency test. Immigrants admitted in United States have no such requirements.


I agree with you about the English proficiency requirement. I always thought making English the national language would help to unify and promote assimilation. Growing up, everyone learned English—even if they did not speak it at home, they spoke it at school and work.

There are other Visas besides H-1B that encourage immigration for wealthy entrepreneurs or experts in their field...I think those are the people as Trump says, the “smart people we want to come”...These are the experts who I want coming here. Not to be confused with many of the the cheap-labor express foreigners trained by diploma mills. I should add that these diploma mills are expanding from just coding to clinical pharmaceutical statistics, and banking accounting...As I stated before I call it Visa Creep.

What I am concerned about are the times when our economy is not doing well? If you follow business cycles—the economy goes up and it goes down...And it will go down at some point, and when it does, what happens our workforce? What happens then to the foreign workers and US workers?


90 posted on 09/26/2019 9:55:00 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: NobleFree

Middle class has lost 40 million manufacturing jobs due to trade deficits. Blame ALL presidents before Trump.


91 posted on 09/27/2019 7:39:58 AM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: entropy12
For lasting success America also needs a middle class; when unbridled capitalism erodes the American middle class through salary depression, it saws off the branch on which it sits. It's not a viable long-term option for America.

Middle class has lost 40 million manufacturing jobs due to trade deficits. Blame ALL presidents before Trump.

Yes, let's - but in addition to blaming, let's keep the loss of middle class income from continuing.

92 posted on 09/27/2019 8:11:05 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: entropy12

I know the cost of living in the Bay Area. I worked in San Jose for 12 years. It was not uncommon for people to have a 2 hour commute just to afford a home. I had co-workers who lived as far away as Los Banos. I hate a long commute and had a growing family to house so I took a job in the Midwest rather than commit to a high 6 to low 7 figure mortgage.

As a white male, my promotion opportunities were also limited. Women had mentoring programs and career development classes available exclusively to them. Indians and Chinese each had their own large cliques that helped promote their own ethnicity. Despite the fevered imaginations of the leftists, there is no white male clique or conspiracy to promote their own and HR was always pushing diversity targets.


93 posted on 09/27/2019 8:26:40 AM PDT by Data Miner
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To: NobleFree

You are missing the point. You are asking to restrict qualified immigrants, but have nothing to say about the low skilled/low wealth/low education immigrants which we have legally imported to the tune of 30 million in 25 years.

You are upset because your field is easy to saturate with cheaper foreign workers. Instead of whining about protectionism why don’t you follow my example and get into a field and develop skills so that you will not be easily replaced?

Protectionism does not create prosperity for the middle class. Manufacturing is #1 wealth creator and most jobs in manufacturing are middle class jobs. I have seen first hand about the 1000 middle class jobs in the outfit I worked for. Soon after I retired, those jobs were exported to Asia. This issue can be dealt with balanced trade using tariffs. If fixed, it will again create American prosperity.

What you want done to protect your own job prospects is selfish, and will make corporations less competitive and reduce prosperity.

I have given you enough material to learn from. I am done with you constant whining. Have a good day.


94 posted on 09/27/2019 2:49:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: entropy12
For lasting success America also needs a middle class; when unbridled capitalism erodes the American middle class through salary depression, it saws off the branch on which it sits. It's not a viable long-term option for America.

have nothing to say about the low skilled/low wealth/low education immigrants which we have legally imported to the tune of 30 million in 25 years.

It wasn't the subject of this thread. I'm against that sort of immigration too.

You are upset because your field is easy to saturate with cheaper foreign workers.

As I've already pointed out to you, I'm not in IT or programming. Your clinging to this personal attack is not only low but stupid.

Manufacturing is #1 wealth creator and most jobs in manufacturing are middle class jobs.

Again, not the subject of this thread. I'm all for getting those jobs back.

I have given you enough material to learn from.

You've given nothing but hot air and cheap tactics.

95 posted on 09/27/2019 8:05:15 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

You are on ignore! You may need a shrink, real soon.


96 posted on 09/27/2019 8:17:45 PM PDT by entropy12 (You are either free enterprise or government control. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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To: entropy12
You are on ignore!

The existence of your reply gives lie to its claim. So sad for you.

97 posted on 09/27/2019 8:20:21 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: entropy12
Love the mangled Hinglish of your tagline, btw
98 posted on 09/27/2019 8:21:48 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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