[nathanbedford]

Silicon Valley oligarchs go before Congress and cry they are losing the competition to China for want of programmers or stem graduates. They may be lying, they may simply be truthfully recounting a problem which they themselves caused by their own importation of foreign workers, either way, they certainly have a motive to lie, a profit motive.

You come to this forum and you say, "I am the data." I believe every word you say but you are not the data you are an anecdote.

We are still no closer to knowing what to do. If you are right in your assertion that merely shutting the door would solve the problem, of course that is the way to go. But if you are wrong, we are put at a severe disadvantage against China, not to mention the eclipse of our economy.

With those stakes, don't you think we need some data upon which to decide?

[central_va]

We are still no closer to knowing what to do.

I keep hearing if wages for doctors go down they ( Americans not imported h-1B) will stop getting the training or end the current practices. It the same for STEM. Sometimes common sense needs no data.

[entropy12]

Your facts and figures infused posts are much appreciated instead of anecdotal frustrations of other individuals.

[central_va]

OMG. I the the rest of your post LOL. You have given up on the US being able to create the STEM workforce we need. This is what I am talking about.

[grey_whiskers]

I’ll reply later, thx.