Posted on 09/21/2019 11:38:36 PM PDT by zeestephen
What we had in the two downed airplanes was a textbook failure of airmanship. In broad daylight, these pilots couldn’t decipher a variant of a simple runaway trim, and they ended up flying too fast at low altitude, neglecting to throttle back and leading their passengers over an aerodynamic edge into oblivion. [Extreme length]
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I watched an interview over the past year, and a retired pilot (I would assume he was up into his mid-70s) made the point that older pilots (suggesting in their 60s) would have gone to instinct, and corrected the chaotic moment.
This is the key passage (which pads out the 300 word excerpt limit):
[“Airmanship” is an anachronistic word, but it is applied without prejudice to women as well as men. Its full meaning is difficult to convey. It includes a visceral sense of navigation, an operational understanding of weather and weather information, the ability to form mental maps of traffic flows, fluency in the nuance of radio communications and, especially, a deep appreciation for the interplay between energy, inertia and wings. Airplanes are living things. The best pilots do not sit in cockpits so much as strap them on. The United States Navy manages to instill a sense of this in its fledgling fighter pilots by ramming them through rigorous classroom instruction and then requiring them to fly at bank angles without limits, including upside down. The same cannot be expected of airline pilots who never fly solo and whose entire experience consists of catering to passengers who flinch in mild turbulence, refer to “air pockets” in cocktail conversation and think they are near death if bank angles exceed 30 degrees. The problem exists for many American and European pilots, too. Unless they make extraordinary efforts — for instance, going out to fly aerobatics, fly sailplanes or wander among the airstrips of backcountry Idaho — they may never develop true airmanship no matter the length of their careers. The worst of them are intimidated by their airplanes and remain so until they retire or die. It is unfortunate that those who die in cockpits tend to take their passengers with them. ]
What we had in the two downed airplanes was a textbook failure of airmanship. In broad daylight, these pilots couldn’t decipher a variant of a simple runaway trim, and they ended up flying too fast at low altitude, neglecting to throttle back and leading their passengers over an aerodynamic edge into oblivion.
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I’ve been saying this all along, but people were instructed by the Fake News to hate and fear Boeing.
Re: Older pilots would have gone to instinct, and corrected the chaotic moment.
This is a Third World pilot problem.
This plane was flown for almost two years in North America, Europe, and wealthy Asian countries.
Number of Crashes - Zero
Number of Reported Close Calls - Zero
Given the previous threads on this subject this one will get interesting.
This is a very interesting read.
[This is a Third World pilot problem.
This plane was flown for almost two years in North America, Europe, and wealthy Asian countries.
Number of Crashes - Zero
Number of Reported Close Calls - Zero]
The hero pilot who landed his wounded passenger jet on the Hudson was a glider pilot.
One of the two planes that crashed, had the same problem the day before. An extra experienced pilot riding up front saw what was happening and instructed to turn the system off.
It seems criminal that after such an event the airline would not have at the very least warned all subsequent pilots of that plane about the problem and the solution. A better approach would have been to warn all other airlines (Boeing or International Air Regulatory Boards) of the problem and solution.
As with most modern high technology disasters there are usually three causes that combine to result in death and destruction. (1) flaws in software, (2)flaws in pilot training/skills and (3) flaws in airline training systems & communications.
There is much blame to go around and people are pointing the finger at the pilots now as they are protecting the corporate deep pockets.
Besides, you can’t trust anything printed in the NYT.
The left and its media arm look for the evil inanimate object to blame in this case, the evil Boeing. God forbid they accuse the black pilots of being to stupid to realize their situation and correct it or even accuse them of inexperience.
So it had nothing to do with the plane itself...
I was just talking with a Boeing certification pilot - he said it was a very interesting read as well.
Another guy that runs checks on the planes said that the Lion Air plane had done repairs/replacements on the part that was the problem. Except they replaced it with an improper part.
They both agreed it was poor piloting.
Sully also flew F-4’s in Vietnam. He certainly had the grounding for airmanship that the article emphasizes.
If you are correct, my gut feeling is Boeing has probably been giving alot more money to Republican party and hardly any to nothing to the Democrat party. That is how the fake news media does it, they promote the companies that give to the Democrat party with endless commercials and advertisements while trashing those companies favoring the Republican party.
When in doubt: Radical islam.
It’s illogical.
Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg?
“Airmanship” can compensate for bad design, etc. But given the warranties of merchantability that we all rely on, should that be a requirement to save lives? Offshoring and H1B’s cost the economy money...and lives. The failure is one that is being replicated throughout our economy. Just with Boeing the failure was a bright line that could not be quietly fixed by management:
“We have also learned that no one at FAA wanted to work on the MAX certification—to the point that one of the engineers who did take a job on the effort told The New York Times he joked that he was high on drugs when he agreed to the assignment. We have learned that Indian coders engineered much of the software powering the MAX in offshore coding sweatshops as part of a campaign to make inroads in Airbus-dominated India, where one airline proceeded to order $22 billion worth of Boeing jets in 2017....
and indeed, much of the software on the MAX had been engineered by recent grads of Indian software-coding academies making as little as $9 an hour...”
Flew F-4’s; not in Vietnam.
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