Posted on 09/16/2019 9:29:33 PM PDT by Cronos
...The Luxembourg prime minister did not hold back. The leave campaign had been built on lies, he said. Johnson’s oft-repeated claims of progress in the talks were baseless. London had come up with nothing to replace the backstop.
the UK was to blame for the impasse. “I just want to repeat and remind that Theresa May accepted the withdrawal agreement,” he said. Britain’s “homemade” problems were causing “general problems” for the whole of the EU.
This was barely concealed anger at the disingenuous game being played by the British government.
..There are grave doubts, after his suspension of parliament and failure to advance any concrete proposals, that the prime minister wants a deal at all – and, should one be achieved, that he could get it through parliament.
as Bettel’s exasperation made clear, officials in Brussels, and leaders in national capitals, are running out of patience
Many now dread the prospect, remote as it may seem, of a second referendum. “Why on earth would you want a country so bitterly and hopelessly divided to stay?” asked one diplomat. “The wounds are going to last generations. How damaging would that be to Europe? Come back, maybe – but leave and sort things out first.”
The EU27 members do not trust Johnson, but many have little confidence in Jeremy Corbyn or in the quarrelsome tribes of remainers either. Certainly, they would rather have a deal: no one wants to be seen to have helped the UK jump off a cliff.
But that deal clearly cannot come at any cost. Twenty-six member states will, first, never abandon Ireland when it insists on the need for an operable backstop because, despite the clout of Germany and France, the EU remains a club of small countries, most with populations smaller than 10 million
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European countries use chlorination as well as we do. Salads, for instance are washed in it.
I believe May’s “deal” involves tens of billions of pounds for a one-year extension of the status quo, which is absurd.
Even British leftists refuse to bite.
I see May as a treasonous global who deliberately set out to fool the people into thinking she was seriously negotiating for Brexit. Instead, she brought back a deal which would in effect have made a permanent vassal state out of the U.K., with even less say in EU matters than if they remained a member. That’s what Farage (and others) said, and I believe him.
The Irish have undernined the corporate income tax systems of the Western World.
Their insistence on a customs backstop to prevent a few hundred shoppers from Dundalk possibly getting a few millom pounds a year of cheaper stuff from Newry, Northern Ireland is the epitome of gall.
Irish corporate tax scams have cost the EU countries and the US tens of billions.
Yup, I haven’t lived there since 2005. But I have business clients there so visit. Lots of changes since 2005. I hear polish and Romanian on the streets which I didn’t before, well I didn’t understand them before.
I understand why people voted to leave and more so that the immigration since the 1990s was and is a shock.
What is wrong is thinking leaving is a cure all and not realizing that many times the EU was used as an excuse by grubby politicians
Correct. That would eliminate the fig leaf covering protectionism. I do think British farmers can’t compete with the economies of scale of American farmers which is why the former are eager to put a spanner in the works of a trade deal. Like the fisheries, they account for 0.5% of GDP but have a loud voice
Yes, low to zero corporate tax is a boon for companies who funnel profits to Irish registered holding companies
I’d suggest you read the deal for yourself. The problem was the Irish border.
To keep it open the Republic of Ireland proposed a northern Ireland only backstop. But that was rejected by the DUP.
So the UK proposed a temporary UK wide backstop. That was sioly as the UK had no other means besides the northern Ireland only backstop to ensure a no borders Ireland.
If boris can go back to the northern Irish only backstop, what other problems do YOU see in the deal?
No, May’s deal does not include “tens of billions of pounds for a one year extension of the status quo”.
Wherever did you read that false piece of information?
Brexit: Legal loophole ‘would allow Boris Johnson to deliver no-deal on 31 October’
Benjamin Kentish Political Correspondent @BenKentish
Sept 16 2019
The independent (uk)
Remoaners are using these anti American arguments to bolster their weak case for remain Leavers know they are b.s. and that there is choline in the drinking water, and ready to eat vegetables are washed in chlorine. They are European nationalists and European nationalism requires an “other” to bond them together, and they are using America as a convenient bogeyman, alongside Russia.
The Irish border problem is a NON-starter, brilliantly concocted by the EU leaders, and is easily “solved”. I suggest YOU listen to Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg, although you probably already have, and just disagree.
So far, the posts of yours that I have read on this topic sound just like the EU globalists, whose ultimate nefarious goal is increasingly clear with each passing day.
Yes, I know that. But they’ve managed to convince a lot of people. Luckily, while I have an interest, I have no real stake in this game.
What is my opinion, you ask?
I’ve just returned from a blissfully Brexit-free fortnight climbing in the Otztal Alps (Austrian/Italian border).
If you’re asking what is my opinion of the likely final outcome - I still have to pass on that. There are still too many variables for any confident prediction, and I don’t trust anybody who makes one.
As for the national mood - the only change, as you rightly observe, is that the number wishing only that the whole wretched business will end, regardless of the outcome, continues to grow. And the more that trend continues, the more the field is left open to the wreckers and obsessives on all sides, when what is needed is wisdom and conciliation.
If you think that, then I'm afraid you have no conception of the significance of the Good Friday Agreement. As for it being a problem 'concocted' by the EU - the EU has offered two perfectly rational solutions, both of which have been rejected by the UK.
The EU is like the Hotel California. You can enter but never leave. The remoaners are carrying the EU’s water right now so the EUcrats have no need to admit they really want to keep GB in the EU at all costs. There is a very strong possiblity the EU will unravel one country at a time should Brexit succeed since no doubt other countries will start demanding a more democratic EU not dominated by Berlin.
Yes, it’s a good section, better than the Times food section which I read every Wednesday. My favorite is Felicy Cloake who does “How to make the perfect...”
But the comments are a true insight to the thinking of British people, most of whom are remainers, of course.
Agree about Felicity Cloake, though she's sometimes startlingly wrong (as in her recent confident instruction to puree a gazpacho...)
Oh, that created quite a brouhaha!
Actually, most of the comments are pretty reasonable - unless an American recipe is published - and quite witty as well. Very enjoyable. It’s free on line and I recommend it.
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