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To: NobleFree

No, no narrowing of my parameter.

And yes, while the nation decided to reinstate the lawful use of alcohol, it too is a dangerous ( as evidenced by 10s of thousands fo drunk driving fatalities, mostly innocents) drug. Should it be banded? society has decided no. Regarding MJ shrooms etc, yep, banned by the representatives of every state and signed into law decades if not a century ago. Wanna smoke dope? Go ahead. Actions have consequences and all too often illicit and even legitimate use of drugs that alter ones senses are involved in some way, minor or major, in consequences to third parties. That is why everyone has auto insurance, home insurance etc, so when they fail to do right ( whether intentionally or by negligence) they have coverage to pay the civil tort.

Now, ask me if I think a person should be free to do whatever he pleases as long as there is no describable risk of harm to others? Yeah, pretty much. However and for example- I shoot quite a bit on my own lands. I could just throw a target on a stand and bang away, but the responsible person in me says otherwise- no, build an NRA standard design range, have adequate standoff between my property and my neighbor, shoot at fixed targets from specified firing points and so do primarily when neighbors are at work ( nice to be retired mostly), hold umbrella insurance for my activities in case of some unforeseen risk/damage, post my property with warning signs etc. Now, could one of my bullets even after all these controls, harms someone? Possibly, but not likely.

See, I assessed a risk, determined the controls to reduce probability, designed mitigating features and control my activities with regards to my neighbors as not to be a bothersome “free man”.

Now, show me a risk assessment, control design and mitigating process for the use of MJ. You cannot. You will drive under the influence, possess weapons ( illegally) under the influence, walk talk and breathe with a known mind-altering and affect changing substance in your blood and body tissue. You are out of control, as we say in production management and statistical process control.

I have long held that if garbage like MJ is legalized, and a person under the influence ( include alcohol if you wish) that once the criminal and or civil suits are done and the criminal/negligent determination has been made by due process, that the Judge allow the surviving family to extract similar damage /injury or even death on the perpetrator. Surely that will be fine with the Libertine, err, I mean “libertarian” in you, no?

Let’s all live in a state of war/nature so you can toke on a dooby or whatever ( or drink etc etc) it is called these days.

While the laws of nature amy indeed declare that one has the right to anything , it also declares that that right ends where others rights begin. and that my friend is why MJ is banned along with drinking and driving and shooting recklessly at a mark. Even though there is no intention of harming another. It is the action that is prohibited/restricted by society, not the “right” to it.


171 posted on 09/07/2019 2:01:38 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior
show me a risk assessment, control design and mitigating process for the use of MJ. You cannot. You will drive under the influence, possess weapons ( illegally) under the influence,

False; I was under the influence many times in my younger days but never drove nor possessed weapons. Glad I could clear up that misapprehension.

You are out of control

Also false; one can get out of control on MJ or alcohol, or be influenced but controlled - as again I did many times.

You seem to "know" some things about MJ that just aren't so. Your FR profile says "I am teachable" ... I guess we'll soon see whether that's the case.

174 posted on 09/07/2019 3:31:29 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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