Skip to comments.Statement from NOAA
Posted on 09/06/2019 10:20:42 PM PDT by Synthesist
From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.
The Birmingham National Weather Services Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.
NOAA link mentioned in statement:
yet FakeNewsMSM is still claiming otherwise, especially CNN which has NOAA and then a union guy’s quote, but then goes back to all the previous false allegations.
7 Sept: CNN: NOAA disavows National Weather Service tweet that refuted Trump’s claim Dorian was headed toward Alabama
by Kyle Feldscher; CNN’s Daniel Dale, Brandon Miller and Caroline Kelly contributed to this report.
In a statement attributed to an unnamed NOAA spokesperson, the agency said Trump had been given information from August 28 until Monday that Dorian could impact Alabama...
Dan Sobien, president of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, lambasted NOAA’s characterization of events and defended the agency’s employees...
AP has the worst gloBULL warming gatekeeper, Borenstein, & co try to spin it:
7 Sept: Yahoo: Agency reverses course on Trump’s Alabama hurricane claim
by SETH BORENSTEIN and KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press; Associated Press writer Hope Yen contributed to this report.
Dan Sobien, president of the union representing weather service employees, tweeted Friday, “Let me assure you the hard working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA management tonight.”
Other meteorologists also voiced concerns about NOAA’s actions Friday.
“I am very disappointed to see this statement come out from NOAA,” Oklahoma University meteorology professor Jason Furtado told The Associated Press...
MIT meteorology professor Kerry Emanuel said Trump’s “broadcast of false information is inexcusable.”...
6 Sept: NPR: NOAA Contradicts Weather Service, Backs Trump On Hurricane Threat In Alabama
by Richard Gonzales
The surprise statement on Friday has left meteorologists around the country baffled and upset...
“Some administrator, or someone at the top of NOAA, threw the National Weather Service under the bus,” Brian McNoldy, a hurricane researcher at the University of Miami, told NPR...
“I am very disappointed to see this statement come out from NOAA,” Oklahoma University meteorology professor Jason Furtado told The Associated Press. He said the controversy over the president’s tweets and the NOAA statement undermines public confidence in meteorologists...
Underlining the reaction by meteorologists to the escalating debate over the president’s claims is the fear that weather forecasting itself is becoming politicized...
bury the FakeNewsMSM.
WaPo’s “climate” gatekeepers’ headline “for accurately contradicting him”??
6 Sept: WaPo: Capital Weather Gang: NOAA backs Trump on Alabama hurricane forecast, rebukes Weather Service for accurately contradicting him
by Jason Samenow, Andrew Freedman & Matthew Cappucci
By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy...
what a disgrace.
Deep state brought out into the light as they try to undermine the elected government of the United States?
... Underlining the reaction by meteorologists to the escalating debate over the presidents claims is the fear that weather forecasting itself is becoming politicized...
MSM reported all sorts of baloney about Katrina that was never retracted and is still considered as historical truth, but was totally fabricated. They love to pander and lie.
Now, when will NOAA purge the fake AGW data fudgers from its ranks?
Nonsense. Someone at the Birmingham NWS Office was corrected. Not the Entire NWS.
Trump should get credit for diverting the storm away from Mar a Lago.
CNN and the other democrat media are already in a hole but just can’t resist the urge to keep on digging.
It's actually not nonsense. At the time the Birmingham office tweeted their response, at 11 AM on the 1st of September, it was a very reasonable tweet. At that time the forecasted track was well off the east coast of the US...and even though the "earliest reasonable arrival" of tropical storm winds still "technically" had a sliver of Alabama in it - there was ZERO chance of ANY impacts (other than clear skies) from Dorian. The tweet was spot on.
When you look at the actual FORECAST of the tropical storm wind field and lay it next to the track on Sept 1 at 11 AM - the tropical-storm-force winds don't come within 200 miles of Alabama - and they hadn't since about the 31st.
I spent 32 years as a professional meteorologist. There was nothing wrong with the tweet at the time it was made. If I was forecasting for that population - I would have said the exact same thing and been 100% correct given the track and given the wind field. The link put out by NOAA is (which is the ERA) will not verify for most locations - it is a worst-case scenario. For instance - the Florida keys and the coast of northern Cuba are ALSO in the track of those maps at that time - and it would have been ABSOLUTELY WRECKLESS to have suggested they would have gotten sustained tropical-storm-force winds.
There's nothing wrong with the tweet. It was a good forecast.
Official Forecasts don’t belong in Tweets.
Actually - no - he wasn't. He actually got bad information from a coast guard admiral (Schultz). The forecast was very clear on Sunday what it was doing. Alabama was BARELY in the ERA map - but for that matter - so was the northern coast of CUBA! And if you look at it - more of CUBA was at risk than Alabama.
However-it really wasn't his fault - it was the fault of the person briefing him. He can't be expected to know what all the models are showing - etc. And on Sunday - all the models were showing a clear re-curve up the coast...even all the ensembles. Only one model even brought it to the coast - and it's a trash model. There was NO forecast putting any impacts into Alabama by any official forecast...only by people who don't know what they are doing (i.e. - non-meteorologists)
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