Fugitive billionaire Guo Wengui: Communist Party 'destroying itself'

UPI ^ | 08/12/2019 | Elizabeth Shim

[NorseViking]

You are perfectly corrent but the point it is not necessarily fatal.

[buwaya]

History.

China, as a single culture/nation/polity has more history than any one person can easily grasp.

A very rough summary would be a series of glorious empires (by any global standard of their times) followed by a horrible, population decimating crash, followed some sort of (short, mostly) dark age. Its as if the Roman Empire had risen and fallen not once, but 8-12 times, depending on how you count.

[Wuli]

I’m talking about China and what applies in your theory does not fit the case of China.

[DoughtyOne]

I doubt many people are going to voice something diametrically opposed to group think there.

In some ways China has opened up, but it’s not above disappearing folks if it gets it’s nose out of joint. > IMO

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[NorseViking]

Generally speaking these people are closer to the middle class than you might imagine even not being such.
They have similar lifestyles and many believe they earned it by itself and not owe government much.
That is a condition for more demand for freedom and it would be achieved once these people would make a critical mass.
Current US policies on China are actually go against it but once again it is only the assumption than the declared goal of foreign policy to end tyranny in China is not false.
If you are to look closely to that US achieved in that department since 1992 it seems more like freedom and democracy were fronts to something else.

[GOPJ]

Its as if the Roman Empire had risen and fallen not once, but 8-12 times, depending on how you count.

China - amazing highs - crushing lows. It's an odd - often glorious - and strange pattern. Any idea why?

[GOPJ]

She was visiting with a Chinese friend who had gone to work that day, so she was out in the afternoon at that shopping plaza. She witnessed a man attacking - stabbing - an old man nearby. She thought the attacker had left and went over to try to help the old man - being the Christian that she was. She was the only one that went to the old man’s aid. But the attacker had not left the area, saw my friend helping the old man and came back and attacked her - stabbing her multiple times. She bled to death there. No one went to her aid except when finally some emergency workers and police arrived - it was too late. Indifference.

Indifference... wow... allowing a person to bleed to death seems more than mere 'indifference'... Do you think the trait is hard wired' - a racial difference? A tendency toward a lack of empathy? Have you noticed a similar pattern in American/Chinese citizens? Or are you saying in a forced civil stability situation - people are afraid to make choices outside of what's PC acceptable? Thanks for sharing that story... interesting.

[caww]

I think a lot of Asian people are like that....especially the well to do. The don’t easily get involved.

[trebb]

Suffering disorientation?
Trump is scraping us off the bottom and moving us up...

[meadsjn]

Imagine freedom. It’s easy if you try.

[LRoggy]

But Jack did resign as head of Alibaba and this guy said he was forced to sign over his stock to the Party, while keeping his foundation assets.

There’s more to this story than on the surface. Ever wonder why Joseph Tsai never seems to go to China? Or why Tsai had made sure to be a VERY public figure here? Including owning sports franchises? Makes him tougher to get control of. Tsai is Taiwanese, not Mainland born. Making Tsai head of Alibaba USA was probably a big slap in the face of the PRC and they never forgot it.

[cgbg]

I really don’t want to over-debate this, but how many Deep State traitors have gone to jail in the last couple of years?

Is there more censorship (at work, online, in the universities) or less in the last few years?

Is there more celebration of sexual perversion (in the media, in the universities, among politicians) or less in the past few years...

etc, etc.

Trump does what he can, but we are dealing some bad stuff here—and imho it is getting worse not better.

[Wuli]

“Indifference... wow... allowing a person to bleed to death seems more than mere ‘indifference’... Do you think the trait is hard wired’ - a racial difference? A tendency toward a lack of empathy? Have you noticed a similar pattern in American/Chinese citizens? Or are you saying in a forced civil stability situation - people are afraid to make choices outside of what’s PC acceptable? Thanks for sharing that story... interesting.”

It is not “racial”. But it is in part cultural. And it may be different among Chinese from the countryside versus the hardened city folk.

Our Chinese friend our dead friend was staying with had been very “Americanized” after living in the U.S. for many years and married to an “ABC” - American born Chinese. I think the public reaction to the events might have been different from Chinese Christians than the general public. Another factor is the political environment with plains clothes police ubiquitous among the public, and a reticence to get involved when they don’t know the people involved in something. People don’t want to be in a position to be asked questions by the police. Another cultural factor is that our dead friend was not Chinese - she was a Christian from Pakistan, a “foreigner”.

But yes, still there is an indifference in a society where social and civil stability - don’t rock the boat - are a dominant theme. Now in this era, the Chinese Communists have been effective at selling that cultural theme as part of the cause of current Chinese economic gains, as if they would not be where they are now without it (and without the Communists in charge).

In China you have a Communist dictatorship running a nationalist, mercantilist state-capitalist (state in control) economy and all the people want to do is make as much money as they can and get ahead. Money has become their religion. But not forgotten is the CP selling job that ONLY because they are in charge is any of it possible.

I don’t think mainlanders are going to rock the boat.

Oh, by the way. Our Chinese friend whom our dead friend was visiting has since returned to the U.S., got her U.S. citizenship (she had a Green Card already, obtained while she was married), and lives in the U.S. now.

[bert]

He did not say the CCP is destroying its self.

Rather, he pointed out internal dissention in the CCP that offers opposition to traditional unity. He points out problematic areas, some of which are quite large.

The Trump attcks on the weakened economy are exacerbating the turmoil

The link blocks the rest of the article

[bert]

balderdash

[cgbg]

I asked questions, FRiend.

I encourage you to carefully think about the answers.

[bert]

As leader for life, Xi can direct the country on a course away from that insisted on by hardline old line maoists still hanging around and having significant power.

I expect Xi and his close associates have the path well mapped but must take their time with the implementation. I suspect President Trump knows and understands this

However, the sun is shining and the President is in fact making hay

[bert]

You left out the Pearl River Delta region and there by missed the entire point of what is happening.

What you describe is in fact not universal or still correct

[marktwain]

Indifference... wow... allowing a person to bleed to death seems more than mere 'indifference'... Do you think the trait is hard wired' - a racial difference?

I do not think it is racial.

I think it is cultural and spiritual.

Christianity is the base of Western culture.

An employee of mine who had worked in the Middle East said if a person in distress was not of the same tribe, observers would just let them die.