Posted on 09/06/2019 1:26:48 AM PDT by Cronos
BORIS JOHNSON has been handed an unlikely boost to his pledge to deliver Brexit by October 31 as EU leaders could still yet reject an Article 50 extension .
Leaders are unlikely to sanction a third extension to the EU’s two-year Article 50 exit clause without cast-iron guarantees, EU sources have warned. In a boost to Brexiteers, signs have emerged that EU capitals are ready to cut ties with Britain amid growing frustrations with long-lasting Westminster deadlock.
...Previously EU leaders have warned that they will not be forthcoming with a third offer to delay the UK’s divorce.
Any Article 50 extension requires unanimous support amongst the EU’s remaining 27 leaders, so could easily be thwarted.
EU diplomats warned that the bloc’s willingness to consider an extension will hinge on Britain setting out a clear roadmap for how more time could lead to an outcome and legal guarantees that the Government would not disrupt EU affairs.
"When I hear the British saying 'Give us three months more and we will solve the problem', we can see that another six months would not solve the problem, nor another three months.
"They have to be able to tell us what they want."
She added: "We know what they don't want but we are still struggling to understand what they do want."
The EU can only grant an extension if the UK asks for it - the UK controls that requesting
And the other 27 countries do not have a unanimous agreement on extension - especially since it seems that there is no way any kind of agreement could be made even with a 1 year extension. the uk is in paralysis
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There are two versions of the EU ‘problem’. First, the EU itself wants a marginal deal and the 39-billion Pounds. The 27 countries? That’s the second version of this...they’d just like for the fake opera to halt. Their dedication to getting the 39-billion Pounds isn’t at the same level as the EU itself.
I do think that another extension simply won’t happen, and the remainers may be shocked at that reality.
While you are correct that “another extension will not happen”
You have some errors in your post:
1. All the remainers and the leavers in the UK i’ve spoken to fully expect the extension to be rejected. They lost their hopes for no-brexit back in July.
2. The reconciliation of accounts is £33 billion (€36 billion), not 39 assuming the UK departs on 31 October this year.
3. This is separate, distinct from Brexit - it is
3.1. to pay for Farage and other british MEPs salaries and retirement pensions.
3.2. to pay for projects that are part of the 7 year budget (2014-2021) that the UK agreed to in 2013. These are ongoing projects slated to end in 2021.
—> You join a club and agree to pay for 12 months starting January. Then in October you decide to leave and say “I won’t pay for November and December, I don’t care if we as a club already agreed to ongoing projects”
The Brexit machinations just show the EU is really “Hotel California”, you can check in, you can just never check out.
Actually it doesn’t. The exit mechanism was simple. From the time you resign by invoking article 50, there is a clear deadline of 2 years until you leave.
But the UK twice asked for extensions to that date.
An analogy would be that you join a club and sign a 7 year contract to stay. Then in year 5 you decide to leave. The club says” ok, there is a one year notice as in the initial contract. You leave after a year.”
But you keep begging for extensions even though you set the date.
Finally the club says “enough already. No more extensions”
The UK won’t be that lucky.
hmm... ok, two countries say they will veto another extension. And other countries are saying the same. So on what basis do you say that the rejection of the extension won’t happen?
Boris is not begging for extensions, he set a date certain. Now the remainers are upset and want an extension(called foot dragging). Everyone knows the EU wants demands that the UK can’t meet for a deal that won’t happen, thus the comment.
Just the UK’s luck. I still don’t think the EU will follow through and help out Brexit...it’s not in the nature of Fascist entities to spin off power.
What happens, or what are the results, if the EU refuses to allow another extension?
“What happens, or what are the results, if the EU refuses to allow another extension?”
Brexit will take place on October 31st, as planned. And I believe an extension has to be unanimous, so even if every country in the EU votes for the extension, Johnson can vote against it so it is not unanimous and in that case, Brexit will take place on October 31st.
The EU has article 50 and yes members can leave, but it is up to them to actually do it. They can negotiate a settlement to ease the transition, which the UK did, but it voted down that agreement. The EU did not make them do that.
So, no, the EU is not like Hotel California. The UK is like a cat that sits on the threshold of a door that was opened for, but cannot decide whether to actually go for it or not.
Then the UK leaves on October 31.
This is as if a person signs the divorce papers, then says “i’m going on the 31st of March” and then twice begs for an extension. Finally the other party gets fed up and says “you said you’re leaving on October 31, I’m not agreeing to your request for more time”
Seven years
2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 most of 2019
That leaves 2020 and two months of 2019.
UK employees of the EU should expect to lose their EU government jobs and look to get Job Seekers Allowance from the UK.
1. The UK begged for the extensions. Twice.
2. Boris didn’t set the date - that was agreed between the UK and the EU back in May.
3. You say “the EU wants demands that the UK can’t meet” — err.. which demands in particular do you mean? The EU’s main Brexit demand is that the UK live up to the UK’s promise to keep the Irish border open (which the UK promised in 1997 Good Friday agreement).
Which “demands” are you referring to?
err.. the definition of fascism is
Fascism is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economywho are you referring to as fascist? The UK or the EU?
I don't see Nigel Farage saying he and his UKIP and Brexit Party MEPs will forego their retirement pensions.
“Then the UK leaves on October 31.”
If that’s the case, then the remain party should have allowed Boris the ability to at least negotiate so their precious EU would get some kind of “divorce settlement.” It seems from the outside that despite whatever the parliament does is irrelevant if the EU kicks them out. Am I right? Does this mean Boris has “won?”
EU, of course, as in spinning off the UK, when they have the option to keep it, by what I think is a simple vote.
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