Posted on 09/02/2019 1:39:29 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
I am telling you when I was growing up and for many years before that people who were seriously mentally ill were indeed locked up, long term, as long as it was thought necessary. It worked. They were not on sidewalks in major cities living in their own waste and were not out and about randomly shooting people.
Then it was decided doing that violated their Civil Rights. The thinking was and is that if they didn’t want to be locked up then we could not do that. The next part was the real key to our mess now, they closed most long term mental health hospitals in the 1970s and then stopped most of the funding for mental illness! The combination of that is what we are living with the results of today. You are talking about mid-70s, by then most of the damage had been done as far as closing many mental hospitals and de-funding mental health care. By then the thinking was people could just go to out patient therapy and be cured. If that was possible, it sure isn’t without funding.
Right now if someone is determined to be a danger to themselves or others they can be placed against their will into a mental health hospital. MOST of the time they are calmed down by professionals, and meds...then crisis is declared over and they can sign themselves out often in just a couple or few days. Revolving door. Though the law says they can be held for mental evaluation most only get a brief evaluation of a few minutes when they are admitted. An in depth evaluation is seldom done under those circumstances though I think when the laws were written it was expected that would happen.
If someone is seriously mentally ill but not deemed to be a danger to themselves or others, but definitely needing help, and willing to get it- then it is next to impossible to get help for them. Most insurance only pays for a few sessions with a therapist or at most 28 days in mental health facility so magically most are released then. Medicaid and other public funding really does not want to fund mental health treatment so it is next to impossible to get them to pay at all. Very few can afford care out of pocket. These people are often in and out of treatment, mostly out. They are also regularly on and off of meds, and in and out of therapy. So they often get progressively worse. In time they may become a danger to themselves or others but usually only those close to them are aware of that. Mental health professionals don’t see them enough to know how they are really doing. Good luck getting help for people like that. Good luck doing anything for someone in this group that does not want help.
Truth is unless someone actually does something to harm others or themselves they have a hard time getting long term, continuous mental health care. This is what has to change.
Good joke.
Actually, telling anything to the FBI seems like a waste of time. They only work on covering for Hillary or hurting Trump. No time for us average people to be protected. Not like The FBI Story starring James Stewart.
piasa wrote:
“refused to take a drug test. Showed up for work angry about something, boss says guess what? It is your lucky day for a drug test. Gets angrier.”
Source?
Yes because common sense says red flag laws won’t work because someone who is a danger to others has access to an infinite number of weapons even if firearms are out of the picture.
With someone who cannot be trusted with firearms, there is no way to remove everything from rocks, to knives, homemade explosives, ETC from their reach. THEY have to be removed if they are really a danger. THEY need to be locked up for treatment. Going after firearms instead of dealing with the person is proof that red flag laws are intended as a way to remove firearms and nothing more.
What... You mean like the left feels about all of us on the right this very day..?? And there are one heck of a lot of lefties in places of power in our government...
Mental health issue.BULLSHIT! It's a drug abuse issue.
All you need to do is watch a few episode of that PD LIve.
I'm sure it's edited but just the same every traffic stop from tail lights to tinted windows to no front license plate results in needles, meth, heroin, coke, marijuana no drivers license, no ID, on probation/parole, just got out, known gang member etc.
IT IS NOT MENTAL HEALTH...IT'S DRUGS!
You have to be in denial AND on drugs to say it's a mental health issue.
can’t be drugs, they are illegal....
Many drug addicts self medicate their mental health issues.
Wait a minute, it's not whether or not you're "crazy"....or have a mental disorder, it's if your criminally insane, violent...and that's about 7% of those with mental illness.
Whenever some whack-job goes out and kills somebody, if he has a shrink, he should also be held responsible.
“It’s hard to solve. In america you can’t put people away because they are crazy.”
There is nothing even slightly unconstitutional about it, and we did it for well over a century. There just needs to be due process in a hearing where the person has rights. It’s no different than a criminal trial.
Probable cause leads to an arrest which leads to a court proceeding.
When these nuts expose themselves, they need to be detained and committed until they return to sanity..if they do. The nuthouses don’t need to be cruel, and they shouldn’t be.
But nobody, including them is done any favors by leaving them out in the streets.
Bottom line here, he reached out to F-troop and the local cops as he was cracking up...and they did nothing.
Criminally insane means they committed a crime. It’s too late then
It's axiomatic that hard cases make bad law.
This bad version of an AP article was evidently truncated, for clicks, even went to print with incomplete sentences and certainly incomplete context.
The New York Post has an extended AP version that has complete sentences and is more crisply sourced.
I’m only touchy about the cavalcade of titles and drama that constantly over runs the content, too often with little to no resemblance of the story below them.
No offense, *prospector, I would have posted the story as well. Just sayin’. Readers research nothing and ask for very little, so that’s what we’re getting in abundance.
We’re drowning in BS and frankly several conservative sites are not immune.
Thanks for the better links, you guys provided.
This may be the explanation why he was pulled over for a “taillight” malfunction. The DPS had a head’s up and didn’t take it seriously and walked right into the danger and would be a reason why there was a hesitant move to identify the shooter as they were somewhat embarrassed for not taking it to heart.
And if you want to get rid of an embarrassing loose end, make sure they get put inside the high-security Fed holding facility in NYC.... and make sure there are TWO cameras trained on the cell.
Quite a dilemma. I doubt there is a solution that does not involve common sense, trust, honor and other similar Godly principles. Looks like we are sunk.
Typical violent Democrat.
Maybe not the proper term, but if you are suicidal, and go around threatening people...we don't need people like that walking around, guns or no guns.
This shouldn't be about guns, period.
re: “I am telling you when I was growing up and for many years before that people who were seriously mentally ill were indeed locked up, ...”
Did you ever work at such a facility? I’m doubting you did ...
At Auburn University, when they let an employee go, the campus police is there in the room when the employee is told.
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