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Outlier: On Second Thought: New Polls Show That Joe Biden Isn’t Collapsing After All
Hotair ^ | 08/28/2019 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/28/2019 11:36:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Monday presented a question. Did that new Monmouth poll with a suspiciously small sample capture the start of an avalanche in Grandpa Joe’s support, with Biden dropping 13 points(!) in two months, or was it an outlier?

Wednesday brings the answer. Outlier, per new surveys from Morning Consult, Suffolk, and Quinnipiac, each of which finds him winning about a third of Dem primary voters and maintaining a healthy lead over Warren and Sanders.

In fact, it’s such an outlier that Monmouth itself issued a press release today saying yep, it’s an outlier.

I make this solemn pledge to you, though: I will never let the whiff of garbage around a too-good-to-check poll deter me from blogging that sucker on a slow news day. Pointless freakouts are what the Internet is all about.

New from Quinnipiac:

Warren is competitive with him among whites but Biden continues to blow the rest of the field away among black voters, winning them 46/10. That’s the difference. As for the other polls out today, Morning Consult has the race Biden 33, Sanders 20, Warren 15 whereas Suffolk has it Biden 32, Warren 14, Sanders 12, each a far cry from Monmouth’s numbers showing Biden sliding to third place at 19 percent. Three different surveys show no one within 13 points of him. Frontrunner status: Secure.

That’s not the most notable result in the Quinnipiac poll, though. They took the public’s temperature on the economy and found opinion shifting a bit towards pessimism, a bad omen for Trump next year. For only the second time in the past year, more people disapprove of his handling of the economy than approve, a 46/49 split (42/51 among independents). He’s at 38/54 on trade, and the share of the public that says the economy is doing “excellent” or “good” has slipped to 61 percent, a solid number but the lowest he’s seen since April 2018.

The upshot is that, for the moment, he’s getting wrecked head to head with the Democrats. Especially the two grandpas.

As we’re all well aware after 2016, the election doesn’t turn on the popular vote. He could lose nationally to Biden and still win the presidency if he reassembles his swing state coalition. That’s the good news. The bad news is that Morning Consult also has his job approval under 50 percent in multiple battleground states, including Iowa and the entire Rust Belt. He’s even slightly underwater in Florida and North Carolina. And needless to say, he couldn’t win the electoral college if he lost the popular vote *badly.* A narrow defeat of a few points in the PV can be overcome by winning with razor-thin margins in battlegrounds. A blowout loss in the popular vote will carry over to battlegrounds. If 40 percent really does end up as his ceiling next year, he’s looking at a landslide.

But don’t worry. Americans on both sides are preparing to rationalize away a defeat by their preferred candidate, per Suffolk:

Thirty-eight percent saying *in advance* that they’re “not very confident” or “not at all confident” that an unfavorable result will be legitimate is a lot of institutional distrust. Imagine what the numbers will be if Trump loses and then spends the ensuing months in full sore-loser mode, a la Democrats and Russia.

Exit question: How far would Trump’s approval rating need to fall by next spring for him to invent an excuse to withdraw from the race? Down to 30 percent, maybe? I don’t think there’s anything he could do — barring economy calamity — that would lose him enough Republicans that he might touch 30.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020; biden; democrats; joebiden; poll
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1 posted on 08/28/2019 11:36:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Dementia 1
Monmouth 0


2 posted on 08/28/2019 11:40:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

How do you collapse from flat on your back?


3 posted on 08/28/2019 11:40:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Translation: The pollsters got their minds right after being threatened by the Democrat party.


4 posted on 08/28/2019 11:41:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Warren is competitive with him among whites but Biden continues to blow the rest of the field away among black voters

Friction between African Americans and Cherokee?


5 posted on 08/28/2019 11:45:01 AM PDT by samtheman (The drive-by media is the true boss of the democommie party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

News of his embalming were premature.


6 posted on 08/28/2019 11:46:46 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SeekAndFind
New Polls Show That Joe Biden Isn’t Collapsing After All

Of course he isn't! America is a racist country, born in racism and Americans are racists. With all the choices between Black, Hispanic, Asian, Female, Gay etc, Americans still choose the old white man. Don't you know this yet? The media has been explaining it for a long time.

/s

7 posted on 08/28/2019 11:51:53 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who cares?!


8 posted on 08/28/2019 11:54:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: SeekAndFind

and hillary beats trump 65-35 %.

Buwahahahahahahahahahahaha


9 posted on 08/28/2019 12:01:37 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well his entourage consist of poor people or white People?


10 posted on 08/28/2019 12:04:08 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Don't forget, we have Hillary WAITING IN THE WINGS!

She's already ready to swoop in to save the day should Slow Joe falter, stumble, or blow a gasket.

11 posted on 08/28/2019 12:17:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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He is, he isn’t. The polls represent a quick, top of head, emotional response to a question asked on the phone. That isn’t reliable.
It’s mostly name recognition. Most people have no clue, but recognize joe biden’s name, and so they claim to have an opinion about him.


12 posted on 08/28/2019 12:24:00 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Should Trump lose, I will have zero uncertainty about wholesale fraud being the cause. People putting out poll numbers of the like that shows the Gay Bishop defeating Trump 49-40 are not living in reality.


13 posted on 08/28/2019 12:27:37 PM PDT by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: SamAdams76

The pictures from the Hamptons indicate she’s more waddling than waiting.


14 posted on 08/28/2019 12:28:07 PM PDT by xp38
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To: SeekAndFind

He may be a creepy groper, but when compared to Buttcrack and Psychojawea and the rest of the clown car he seems majestic.


15 posted on 08/28/2019 12:30:03 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: SeekAndFind

that was a silly poll.


16 posted on 08/28/2019 12:36:01 PM PDT by babble-on ("moderation is best in all things" - Hesiod)
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How far would Trump’s approval rating need to fall by next spring for him to invent an excuse to withdraw from the race?

After all the polls bluffed and got it wrong in 2016?

Trump would be "all in" just to see what the other guy's cards really looked like.
17 posted on 08/28/2019 12:48:39 PM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I make this solemn pledge to you, though: I will never let the whiff of garbage around a too-good-to-check poll deter me from blogging that sucker on a slow news day. Pointless freakouts are what the Internet is all about.”

Poll manipulation isn’t funny, it isn’t a joke, and it needs to be taken on and defeated.


18 posted on 08/28/2019 12:58:46 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (CNN's Dana B: "Show of hands: Coverage for undocumented immigrants?" ***all Democrat hands raised***)
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To: SeekAndFind

Polls and Trolls, inseparable companions

No need to read, save brain cells


19 posted on 08/28/2019 1:04:49 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; DoughtyOne
"New Polls Show That Joe Biden Isn’t Collapsing After All"

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LOL. They should see him right after his appearances. The other day he was speaking in New Hampshire and woke up in Vermont.

20 posted on 08/28/2019 1:08:33 PM PDT by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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