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Psychiatrist On CNN: Trump may be responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin and Mao
Ryan Saavesda ^

Posted on 08/25/2019 11:04:26 AM PDT by Bigtigermike

Video at link: Psychiatrist Allen Frances: “Trump is as destructive of person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allenfrances; boogedyboogedy; cnn; hitler; psychiatrist; stalin; trump; witchdoctor
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To: Chickensoup

You may be right.

I spent maybe 15-20 hours with this man’s intellect while reading “Saving Normal” and thought he was one of that increasingly rare breed, old-fashioned liberals with some common sense and common decency.

Read his Wikipedia entry to get an idea of the reasonable objections he has raised against the DSM-5 and current psychiatric practice.

The Dr. Frances I encountered in his fine book was not a renegade or a loose cannon — in many respects he represented the conscience of an often-maligned profession.

I won’t say he became an intellectual hero of mine, but he impressed me as a serious and responsible intellect, one to be respected.

Pity, pity, pity.


101 posted on 08/25/2019 1:13:28 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Bigtigermike

They are not a news network, its clear.


102 posted on 08/25/2019 1:14:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Nothingburger

I’ve known Allen for about 10 years and heard him lecture many times, including Grand Rounds for Psychiatrists at Duke Hospital.

He has an ego bigger than the Taj Mahal.

This man was in charge of determining the criteria for mental illness diagnosis.

THESE ARE THE SAME CRITERIA USED TO RED FLAG PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR GUNS.


103 posted on 08/25/2019 1:23:30 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Nothingburger

He did all he could to delay the DSM-5 as he got the royalties on the DSM-4.


104 posted on 08/25/2019 1:25:37 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Nothingburger

Allen is slipping. He was an expert witness on some major litigation I worked on against a Big Pharma. Cross exam tore him to shreds.


105 posted on 08/25/2019 1:28:03 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Bigtigermike

Physician, heal thyself.


106 posted on 08/25/2019 1:39:09 PM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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To: tired&retired

Thanks for those observatons and anecdotes, FRiend tired.

Again, my observations are strictly from reading his book, which, as I stated, I found entirely worthwhile.

As for “ego bigger than” ... that describes way too many physicians I have known over the years. The bedside manner is pretty much a thing of the past ... you are nothing but a collection of numbers.

I wrote professionally for the better part of 30 years, and I can tell you it’s tough to discover that someone whose writing you admire is, shall we say, morally and ethically challenged.

I wound up working a year for a regionall popular “conservative” pundit who turned out to be probably the nastiest person I met in the news business. With this dude, it was always personal — according to His Highness, I lacked the “killer instinct” of a real reporter. My take is that I’m obliged to quote everyone accurately, and whether agree with them or like them matters not a whit.

Last I heard, he had lost quite a bit of money, but not enough that he’s living in a tent.


107 posted on 08/25/2019 1:50:33 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Steve_Seattle

In all fairness, that whole “profession” is a scam.


108 posted on 08/25/2019 2:06:50 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bigtigermike

Surely there is a libel suit built into this crazy woman’s rant?

Roll out the lawyers, POTUS!

Sue her ass!


109 posted on 08/25/2019 2:19:49 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Take the liberal challenge on dictators

1 MAO ZEDONG - 60 million - possibly 100 million 2 JOSEPH STALIN - 40 million possibly up to 75 million 3 ADOLF HITLER -30 million 4. DONALD TRUMP -0 deaths, and not a dictator, but 40 million people off of welfare and working, so I guess that's like killing people...from being worked to death...with a paycheck and weekends off...and maybe even a dental plan..

This is where I get pissed. How is it Trump is so evil and has no associated deaths, but the Clinton's are loved by the media and have killed more people than Cecil B.DeMille?

110 posted on 08/25/2019 3:04:32 PM PDT by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Trump is responsible for upwards of 250 million dead? Seriously?

I suppose it’s a good thing that they’re not in any field requiring mathematics.


111 posted on 08/25/2019 3:09:31 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: Bigtigermike

*Trump is responsible for upwards of 150 million dead? Seriously?

I suppose it’s a good thing that they’re not in any field requiring mathematics.

Lazy finger syndrome.


112 posted on 08/25/2019 3:11:04 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: Bigtigermike

When you look at these deceivers education credentials It all becomes clear...


113 posted on 08/25/2019 3:12:42 PM PDT by northislander
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To: Dr. Sivana

Next thing they will say is that Trump killed Jesus, Lincoln princess Diana, Gaudi, Gov. Huey Long and Kennedy. That time machine has been very busy these last two years.


114 posted on 08/25/2019 3:13:40 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound ovil.f the guns!)
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To: Bigtigermike

If we ever give our guns up there will be genocide in this country. And I mean that seriously.


115 posted on 08/25/2019 3:13:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Bigtigermike

He could also be reasonable for curing all cancer and insect born diseases.


116 posted on 08/25/2019 3:17:40 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

In 2017 there were this many deaths in the US from all causes. Trump really gets around. Good thing he has a golf cart.

Number of deaths: 2,813,503


117 posted on 08/25/2019 3:20:51 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

don’t you hate it when you hire a psych to help you fight your war on trump and he turns out to be bat-shit crazy?


118 posted on 08/25/2019 3:21:40 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
You are correct. The problem is, from the Red Flag discussion threads a while back. I do not believe that nearly enough of those that are supposedly on our side got the message. Or if they received it, they poopooped it. It will be a slaughter to the extent that it will make the Turk vs. Armenian genocide a child's play.

Their intentions toward what they intend to do to us could not be plainer. Their statements can be taken at face value and heeded or ignored at your peril. To Illustrate: The muslim holy book plainly states that is the duty of every muslim to convert or kill the infidel. How many infidels including me believe that?

119 posted on 08/25/2019 3:32:10 PM PDT by sport
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To: dp0622

SHOW ME THE BODIES!
SHOW ME THE CORPSES!
SHOW ME THE ROTTING DEAD!

If this asshat can’t, he should shut the f#ck up and crawl back under the prog/lib pile of sh!t he crawled out of.


120 posted on 08/25/2019 3:35:26 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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