Posted on 08/23/2019 1:46:21 PM PDT by Kaslin
The national popular vote bandwagon continues to attract anxious passengers before the 2020 election. Fifteen states plus D.C. with 196 electoral votes have joined the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC), which would obligate the participating states to cast their electoral votes for the presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote, not the candidate who wins the state's popular vote, but only after states with 270 or more electoral votes join the compact. Most recently, Nevada's governor had the good sense to veto the measure.
The sudden and palpable distaste for the Electoral College appears to be motivated by the festering anger of two stinging electoral defeats for the Democrats in 2000 and 2016, not by a sincere desire to improve our great Republic in a bipartisan way. The counterfactual proof of this claim is the insight that if George W. Bush and Donald Trump had won the national popular vote but had lost the Electoral College, the Democrats today undoubtedly would be singing the praises of the Electoral College as a necessary check on mob rule.
The movement conveniently glosses over the fact that the Electoral College merely reflects how states send representatives and senators to Washington. Even small states with only one representative have two senators, but the movement is not proposing to abolish the Senate. Our Republic was founded on semi-autonomous states that do most of the heavy lifting for day-to-day governance (police, schools, courts, roads, etc.) and therefore need a voice at the federal table to avoid having a few large states control all the small states. As such, presidential elections should take into consideration the interests of individual citizens (438 electoral votes) and individual states (100 electoral votes).
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Yet.
Popular vote: poster child for “careful what you wish for”
So is this the hill they have chosen to die on? What will they do when the Patriots push back?
my state will render my voice mute to the will of the majority... dummicrats.
The wheels appear to be falling off of the bandwagon.
WHAT exactly is a countrywide “popular” vote in a republic???
Where is that in the constitution?
Cause I think i missed it.
Has there ever been any kind of court challenge to these laws? If the majority of the voters of a state choose candidate A, but the state goes and chooses the electors of candidate B because B won the so-called national popular vote, isn’t that voiding the election and the will of the voters in that state?
Exactly right, by factual definition this is the very distinct difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact= Unconstitutional
Where is that in the constitution?
Cause I think i missed it.
also missed was abortion and universal medical care.. just sayin'.
To me, the best way to understand the need for the Electoral College is to look at the county-by-county votes and remember that the Founding Fathers wanted the President to have widespread support, not narrow support.
Primary system for parties is the same way.Candidates try to win the most delegates.
Imagine:
“The Democrat Party is not taking part in primaries. There will be one national election for Presidential nominee.Nationwide, all on the same day.Winner accepts nomination at the convention.”
Libs can’t win on the issues so they will contrive ANYTHING to cheat.
The electoral college proved its worth by preventing states like California from stealing the election with illegal votes.
I remember Floriduh in 2000.
Multiply that chaos by 50. Who’s up for a nationwide recount and lawsuits galore?
That’s what we could be facing if this BS idea comes to fruition.
The idea of knowing who will be the next president the night of the election, or even the next day, will be just a quaint memory of days gone by.
Obama won the electoral college twice, is there a problem now?
”… which would obligate the participating states to cast their electoral votes for the presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote,"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
As patriots have pointed out, by its very name the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact [emphasis added] probably violates the Constitution’s Article I, Section 10, Clause 3.
"Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State [emphasis added], or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
However, we’re still stuck with a worthless Congress left over from the lawless Obama Administration that probably won’t lift a finger to do anything about anti-PDJT states trying to bypass 12th Amendment electoral vote counting procedures to get PDJT out of office.
And speaking of 12th Amendment procedures, the Founding States prohibited the states from making “winner-take-all” laws and compacts for electoral votes when they ratified that amendment imo.
Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added]; […]"
Remember in November 2020!
MAGA! Now KAG! (Keep America Great!)
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