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U.S. Manufacturing sector contracts for the first time in nearly a decade
CNBC ^ | 08/22/2019 | Yun Li

Posted on 08/22/2019 7:50:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: NELSON111
What is happening is we are seeing a GLOBAL slowdown in the GLOBAL economy

yep, Europe is in the throngs of a severe slowdown.

41 posted on 08/22/2019 10:32:50 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
>>>Europe is in the midst of a serious recession, our manufacturers are slowing due to the decreased exports

And they are really just at the start of the downturn with a lot of the really bad pain still to come (given that Germany just entered recession). The canary in coalmine were the PIGS a few years ago. Germany is beholden to Greek debt. IF they default - Germany is in SERIOUS trouble. Now Germany is issuing 30 year NEGATIVE interest rate bonds.

And China is falling apart as well. The numbers they are reporting are pretty bad - so just imagine what it ACTUALLY is (because of course, they are lying about it).

People need to understand we are a global economy and our manufacturing sends out over a $trillion in goods worldwide. When there is a global slowdown, there is a decrease in demand. Job numbers are a lagging indicator because people are basically GOOD and don't want to lay, people, off...but they stop producing things (or slow down producing things) long before they start to lay people off). It's economics 101.

42 posted on 08/22/2019 10:38:25 AM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: bort

>>>Call me crazy, but how do tariffs, which are designed to PROTECT American manufacturing jobs, cause a slow-down in manufacturing?

Most of the tariffs on Chinese goods were on intermediate goods. Who imports intermediate goods? US manufacturers.


43 posted on 08/22/2019 10:41:37 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: bort
... I don’t logically see how putting a fax on FOREIGN manufactured goods is going to lead to AMERICAN factories laying people off.

For one thing, the tariffs aren’t on all foreign goods. As a result of the China tariffs US importers are sourcing from other low-cost countries like Vietnam.

At the same time, in retaliation China cuts back on imports from the US.

Result? Bigger trade deficit and lower manufacturing.

As someone mentioned, there’s also a global economic slowdown reducing demand.

44 posted on 08/22/2019 10:53:49 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: NELSON111
SO: We export about $2.5 TRILLION a year in goods. About $1 trillion of that is in the manufactured category.

You need to get better sources. In 2018 we exported 1.6T and imported 2.5T a defecit of $900B annually.

Total value of U.S. trade in goods (export and import) worldwide from 2004 to 2018 (in billion U.S. dollars)

GDP From Manufacturing in the United States is $8.6 Trillion. Using your dubious $1T annual manufacturing export figure, as percent off total USA manufacturing 1/8 = 12.5%. So for example, a "slowdown of 2%" in world demand would only be 3% of TOTAL manufacturing. A 2% loss in manufacturing demand as a percent of total GDP would be $30B/$22T = .02%!!! IT DOESN'T EVEN MOVE THE NEEDLE.

Not a big risk.

45 posted on 08/22/2019 10:53:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So a hit piece on Trump written by someone with a Chinese name and almost no personal background information available on the web.

Yeah, take this post with a HUGH grain of salt!


46 posted on 08/22/2019 10:58:09 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: SeekAndFind

So what is it slower growth and signaling a contraction—or an actual contraction?


47 posted on 08/22/2019 11:07:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Crusher138

RE: So a hit piece on Trump written by someone with a Chinese name and almost no personal background information available on the web.

Now, let’s not overdo this “They are attacking Trump” thing in a purely business report.

The only way it can be seen as an attack on Trump is to show how the figures cited in this report are inaccurate or false.


48 posted on 08/22/2019 11:10:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: NELSON111

When derivatives start to go it becomes a chain reaction, like a nuclear detonation, and it can’t be stopped until the explosion occurs.


49 posted on 08/22/2019 11:24:39 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (It's the corruption, stupid)
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To: SeekAndFind

“U.S. Manufacturing sector contracts for the first time in nearly a decade”

slowing growth is NOT a “contraction” ...


50 posted on 08/22/2019 11:39:59 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Nobody here should be surprised by this. If the U.S. economy was as strong as we’ve made it out to be, you wouldn’t see the President running around calling for cuts in interest rates that are already at or near historic lows.”

Trump wants the interest rate cuts because the whole world has been buying U.S. dollars since it’s the safest currency in the world, thereby making the dollar overly strong and hurting our ability to export ... lower rates would help to slightly weaken the dollar and improve our export capability ...


51 posted on 08/22/2019 11:44:20 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: central_va
You need to understand economics. And perhaps YOU need better sources....or UNDERSTAND that some things may be included in exports by some who compile lists...and some things may not. Goods and services are an export (i just didn't say services...for me it is a "good" - a product") - it means jobs. It's not dubious - it's data from the census site. We manufacture about $1 Trillion in goods (actually that was a WAG - I just looked it up and it is $837 Billion - SO SUE ME)...then there are about $500 billion in ag products and oil (etc)...then there are another trillion or so in services or some sort or another that feedback into the economy. ALL of those ties into the numbers.

And it does move the needle when you talk about a global recession - and you put China and Europe in the mix.

52 posted on 08/22/2019 12:39:36 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: DoughtyOne
I haven’t bought into anything at all. Everything I say about this issue is based on my own conversations with business owners. I’d suggest everyone else should do the same here on FR, and see what they have to say about what’s going on in their industries.

Don’t just look at the Federal Reserve rates here. While the Fed has been raising rates, U.S. Treasury rates have actually FALLEN. That’s important because it’s U.S. Treasury rates that are the benchmark for major credit markets like the mortgage industry.

53 posted on 08/22/2019 1:07:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now, let’s not overdo this “They are attacking Trump” thing in a purely business report.

From the report:

"Manufacturing had been one of the big winners during the Trump administration, but the tit-for-tat tariffs in the U.S.-China trade war have taken a big bite from the sector."

Hmmmm...no bias there...

54 posted on 08/22/2019 1:15:07 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: SeekAndFind

IHS Markit.

Consider the source, folks....


55 posted on 08/22/2019 1:19:31 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: SeekAndFind
This "fake news" article emanates from CNBC.

Enough said!

56 posted on 08/22/2019 1:20:30 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: DoodleDawg
First time in a decade? Does that mean it was growing during Obama?

That's their standard dodge when reporting good news, blending in the no-growth obama years to soften his image.

57 posted on 08/22/2019 1:38:43 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Tench_Coxe

“I’m sure there is more. “

Yeh...I am sure the dems have dozens of women going thru ‘mental hospitals’ searching for those gals who remember getting raped by POTUS...They’ll all speak up months b4 the election...


58 posted on 08/22/2019 1:44:58 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: mewzilla

RE: Consider the source, folks....

Actually, if you read the article, the source is not IHS Markit. They were simply taking their data from the Purchasing Managers Index (PMI).

The Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) is an index of the prevailing direction of economic trends in the manufacturing and service sectors.

The PMI is compiled and released monthly by the Institute for Supply Management (ISM). The PMI is based on a monthly survey sent to senior executives at more than 400 companies in 19 primary industries, which are weighted by their contribution to U.S. GDP.

*THAT* is the source.

Now, if you doubt the accuracy of this source, maybe you can provide us with a better indicator of manufacturing direction...


59 posted on 08/22/2019 1:48:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: bort
Call me crazy, but how do tariffs, which are designed to PROTECT American manufacturing jobs, cause a slow-down in manufacturing? Huh? Sure, tariffs will likely lead to some price increases, but I don’t logically see how putting a fax on FOREIGN manufactured goods is going to lead to AMERICAN factories laying people off.

A large percentage of manufacturers in the USA use parts or equipment manufactured in China to make finished goods here. It would be a miracle if the tariffs had no short-term negative effect.

60 posted on 08/22/2019 2:08:58 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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