Posted on 08/21/2019 6:00:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
Much as it pains me to say it, President Trump is dead wrong about the issue of mental illness in the wake of mass shootings, stating that long-stay psychiatric hospitals, which are necessary for those with intents to harm themselves or others, were emptied out and closed in the 1960s for budgetary reasons. It did happen, but it was called "deinstitutionalisation," at the time. It occurred not primarily for cost-saving reasons, but largely because of "a series of socio-political movements that campaigned for patient freedom."
I first heard Mr. Trump say what he did about the costs of those closings last week at his New Hampshire rally as he addressed gun issues, the mentally ill, and the homeless problem:
Years ago, many cities and states, I remember it so well, closed mental institutions for budgetary reasons. They let those people out onto the street....[T]hey let really seriously mentally ill people out on the streets, and you see plenty of them today, even today.
Mr. Trump used very similar words on the tarmac Sunday as he was returning from Bedminster to Washington:
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
The author is obviously a #Never Trumper, hence the barf alert
searching online the process of deinstitutionalization began in mid-1970. it was proposed earlier than that (no doubt with shrinks like Timothy Leary advocating LSD treatments before he was run off from Harvard and Boston University). Leary had been experimenting with prisoners in jails but his own LSD experimentation and cultish behavior on campuses led to his ousting.
The RAT Left just does not give up. Lies, distortions, omissions -— SOS.
I think this guy is feeling no pain at all.
This is not a very good time in our country to discuss efforts to institutionalize psych patients.
The people are losing their constitutional rights every day. Psychiatry is a powerful tool that can be used by government to completely deprive an individual of liberty. Although many cases clearly involve hostile and violent behavior, others may not.
Psychiatric diagnoses for individuals can vary among providers and may be based only on subjective criteria (symptom reporting). The temptation for government to exploit psychiatric diagnostic subjectivity is just too great as we have seen in the past in other more advanced totalitarian societies.
I don’t think it was JUST about money or JUST about leftists thinking that even the very mentally ill should never be forced into confinement, even if they are being treated well in good surroundings.
It was both.
Sir, U B nuts!
Has it become offensive to say Dear Leader is “wrong” about a fact? What about “inaccurate” or “incorrect”? Are those also banned words?
Excellent article. The gist is that we need more than new buildings and employees. We need laws allowing for nutjobs to be taken from private homes and put into asylums for the rest of their lives. Trying to get those laws through the mess of liberal Democrats, libertarian Republicans and penny-pinching Koch money recipients will be well-nigh impossible.
Relevant passage:
[someone needs to tell Mr. Trump that if he wishes to get guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, he must focus not on finding a way for the reinstitutionalization of the mentally ill living on the streets but on finding a way for the reinstitutionalization of the mentally ill living in private residences.]
The pendulum always swings too far one way or another.
Perhaps institutionalization was too easily accomplished in the 40s and 50s and denied people their constitutional rights.
To rectify this , rather than establish a conscientious and reasonable process, all institutions were closed, the rules significantly changed and it became almost impossible to institutionalize anyone even if it was definitely needed.
Today the pendulum has swung and is stuck significantly too far to one side. I know this from personal experience as it took my sister and I over a year to have my father institutionalized in a Memory Care facility. He could remember very little, was totally irrational, wandered, did not eat and was often completely incoherent yet he still DROVE! (on expired tags) We never did get his license revoked if you can imagine. It is only by the grace of God that he didn’t kill someone else let alone himself.
There are 100’s of thousands, perhaps millions of people out wandering around who shouldn’t be and nobody seems to have a care let alone a plan to redress the situation.
Nonsense. Sure, the rhetoric surrounding The Community Mental Health Act of 1963 was about the rights and quality of life for the mental health patients. Movies such as One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest pushed the issue to the forefront. But the bill was sold to the lawmakers based on the cost savings with the altruistic cover of the rhetoric.
Murder does not require mental illness or a firearms. But the search for villainy in these two areas goes on. If you look and find either or both, you did not find the cause.
Some people choose to follow a pathway of evil.
There are not enough psychiatric providers in our country and trying to get help for a loved one is almost impossible. So sad for many families and their loved ones who will not seek help because they think they are okay, when they actually be need help and medication to get back into their right state of mind. Letting someone be mentally ill because they prefer it is like not treating them for other diseases because they prefer it. . .
Leary was ousted because Harvard was no longer willing for Leary and his CIA bosses to continue their human experimentation with LSD and other hallucinogens (mostly psylocybin [’magic mushrooms’] on their students, which had been the case during 1960-1962. Leary himself was pretty upfront about that in the last decade of his life. Old hands in the CIA will still recall the psychological test they received during the recruitment process — it was called “The Leary” and yes, it was produced by The Agency’s favorite Harvard Psych Professor.
The magic mushrooms at Concord Prison did not work out too well (despite initial claims otherwise), but the results of the Chapel Hill experiment were actually duplicated twice (once by Johns Hopkins).
I wonder if it would be a good thing if technology allowed crazies to be “reprogrammed” to follow certain parameters of behavior such as not hurting themselves or others.
It’s a slippery slope I know because it would be abused by brainwashing people to follow one ideology or another by bad guys. It could also make criminals out of normally honest productive people.
Still; wouldn’t it be great if the crazies and bad guys could be “fixed” by one simple brain changing treatment?
I remember it so well, closed mental institutions for budgetary reasons.
Jack the ripper thinks loop hole now likes other crazy people.
LIBs should be honest...for once. The only reason that they led the movement to close mental “asylums” was because they feared that eventually their lunacy would be discovered and they would, then, be involuntarily admitted. What lunatics.
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