Posted on 08/18/2019 10:57:14 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
Speed and red-light cameras are the bane of many motorists. A modern idea made possible by technology, they have been installed in at least 24 states. Although these cameras are a revenue boon for governments across the nation, their intrusion into daily life is disturbing, and their constitutionality is dubious.
Specifically, use of these cameras could violate the Sixth Amendment. The Confrontation Clause grants criminal defendants the right to be confronted with the witnesses against them. Since it is a camera and not a person that witnessed the offense, such violations generally cannot be considered a criminal offense. The ticket is issued to the owner of the vehicle, not to the person driving it, leaving a lack of certainty as to the identity of the offender.
Therefore, the “ticket” in most places is nothing more than a civil fine, making enforcement and collection difficult. To date, governments have avoided this problem by requiring payment of the fine before motorists can renew their driver’s license or auto registration. Although there generally are appeals procedures, they typically do not give drivers a day in court. In other words, what happened to being innocent until proven guilty?
There are several for-profit companies that install and operate the cameras, some of them foreign-owned. In a typical arrangement, a camera company will contract with a local government to pay the capital cost of installing the cameras in exchange for a share of the revenue generated via fines. In short, governments get a new revenue stream without any operating cost, and the camera companies make a tidy profit.
The companies and government officials argue that greater safety will result from fewer accidents and that the increased government revenue will benefit the local communities.
Studies to confirm those claims have yielded mixed results. Studies paid for by the camera companies or governments usually show fewer accidents. Independent studies and those financed by opponents usually show no gains and sometimes worse results.
There is more evidence that greater public safety actually depends on the timing of yellow and red lights. Longer yellow and all-way red times have been shown to significantly reduce accidents. Sometimes local governments actually decrease yellow-light timing to catch more red-light runners, a result of the perverse financial incentives that tempt government officials and camera companies. Studies also show motorists are more likely to hit the brakes hard at camera-enforced intersections, increasing rear-end collisions.
Unsurprisingly, these cameras are deeply unpopular. Since 1991, there have been 42 elections on adopting or prohibiting either speed or red-light cameras or both. In all but two of these, voters have opposed the cameras by an average margin of 63 percent.
However, polling on the issue can show different results. A recent Public Opinion Strategies poll of 800 likely voters nationwide found 69 percent of respondents either strongly or somewhat support red-light cameras, while 29 percent somewhat or strongly oppose. Interestingly, 47 percent of those same respondents thought most of their neighbors opposed the cameras.
A possible explanation is that, as a national poll, most respondents do not live in a locality with red-light cameras since less than half the states allow them and not all jurisdictions in those states have them. Therefore, many have never experienced them. Familiarity breeds contempt.
Most citations for speed and red-light cameras are simply civil fines. The offender essentially has no recourse in court. The financial incentive creates a conflict of interest for local elected officials and camera companies to game the system in their favor. These factors can undermine citizens’ faith in government and breed mistrust.
We are brought up to respect the legal system that was handed down to us through English common law. We expect the laws to be just and fairly applied. We expect to always have recourse in the courts. And most importantly, we always expect to be treated equally before the law. Speed and red-light cameras are contrary to those expectations. This is not good for the civil society, especially at a time when distrust in government is high.
The most effective thing was for large numbers of people to talk to media and go to city council and other meetings. That stopped the whole state of Texas from using them. Texas is where I was familiar with them, no idea how they worked in other places. I have noticed nearly all of the first cities to get them no longer have them.
Patentable solution.
But you will notice the yellow/red light problem is independent of speed. Whether the vehicle speed is 5 mph or 50 mph, a fair amount of vehicles eventually enter a red intersection.
Interesting.
Seems to me that if everyone put their brakes on when the light turns yellow, no one would enter a red intersection. At least that's the design intent. I've noticed that the duration of yellow lights is adjusted to accommodate the speed limit.
So this looks like a training/compliance issue to me.
Is your solution a technical one?
As an aside, I have a number of patents going back to the 80's in a variety of fields, so I understand your desire to keep it a secret (although, since we adopted the European practices, your application is public when you file it).
Have you filed yet?
“The company found they made more money sending tickets out willy nilly whether you run a red light or not.”
Really? Why would ANYONE pay a ticket if they were innocent?
Just last week, a red light crasher was about to T-Bone my car. Only reason the crash did not happen was my quick reaction and good peripheral vision.
I oppose almost everything which expands the gov’t. But for reckless drivers, such as I ran into last week, there is no other remedy. A traffic cop cannot be present everywhere. Which is why I am against hand gun restrictions for home defense because cops won’t be there instantly to help when one is facing a home invasion.
See post #87.
See post #87.
See post #87.
See post #87. No camera’s needed for people abusing drugs at home. But if they are intoxicated and get behind the wheel, they are endangering our lives and limbs.
See post #87.
I have seen some traffic lights which actually show #of seconds before light turns red. With technology advances and drop in costs, that would be an acceptable alternative.
Red light, red flag, all that commie red stuff is just bad news.
You can tell when you are approaching a red light camera when you see all of the pieces of smashed cars laying all over. I have seen it with my own eyes.
I’ll have to look closer.
Red light camera would not have stopped you getting tboned. In fact red light cameras have been shown to increase accidents where they are used.
Just like more gun laws don’t stop bad people illegally using them.
Longer yellows and longer red wait times save far more lives than cameras. Besides, when you run a red light with camera in place it is often 2 to 3 weeks before you get a ticket. During that time your driving patterns remain the same. Fine revenue increases for the city and premiums increase for the insurance companies.
See post 97 regarding post 87. Red light cameras are just the beginning of indoctrinating us to accept cameras everywhere. Please do not fall for this. We need to get the gooberment out of our lives. The gooberment is not here to serve us. It wants to enslave us.
” A possible explanation is that, as a national poll, most respondents do not live in a locality with red-light cameras since less than half the states allow them and not all jurisdictions in those states have them. “
So is this saying that not all jurisdictions that are in states that don’t have them don’t have them?
Is it the fluoride or is it me?
Don’t drink tap water.
Leave that for the lefties.
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