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The link between pot and mass shootings may be closer than we think
The New York Post ^ | August 8th, 2019 | By Miranda Devine

Posted on 08/08/2019 6:15:32 AM PDT by Mariner

You can’t walk through the streets of Manhattan these days without smelling weed.

Even as evidence mounts of the health problems associated with marijuana, New York has insisted on joining other greedy states scrambling to legalize this deceptively dangerous drug.

It makes no sense at a time when American youth is suffering from an unprecedented mental health crisis.

And, in all honesty, we cannot rule out a connection between increasing marijuana use, mental illness and the recent spate of mass shootings by disturbed young males.

We don’t yet know much about the mental state or drug use of the El Paso or Dayton killers. But a former girlfriend of Dayton killer Connor Betts, 24, has indicated he was mentally ill, and two of his friends interviewed by reporters this week mentioned his previous drug use.

Just last year, the Parents Opposed to Pot lobby group tried to sound the alarm on the link between marijuana and mass shootings, compiling a list of mass killers it claims were heavy users of marijuana from a young age, from Aurora, Colo., shooter James Holmes and Tucson, Ariz., shooter Jared Loughner to Chattanooga, Tenn., shooter Mohammad Abdulazeez.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dopersrights; paranoia; potheads; psychosis; rampagekillings
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To: King_Corey

they are not able to metabolize

Everyone is different. My doc just did a dna pharmacogenic (or something like that) test on me. It goes into your DNA and tells you which drugs work and which ones won’t according to your DNA. Was very enlightening. Found out all the anti depressant drugs and psychotropic drugs just won’t work on me. So if I’m nuts I guess I’ll just have to stay that way. lol But something as simple as Plavix won’t work on me either. So without the test a doctor would prescribe Plavix for me not knowing it wasn’t working. He did the same test on Hubby and they all work on him normally. Not sure why more docs aren’t running this test since it helps them better prescribe medications.


61 posted on 08/08/2019 8:44:38 AM PDT by sheana
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To: punknpuss

Marijuana has been around for 4000 years mass murdering people is a in the frequency we’ve see is a relatively new phenomenon


62 posted on 08/08/2019 8:46:32 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: King_Corey

I forgot the link

https://www.labcorp.com/help/patient-test-info/pharmacogenetic-tests


63 posted on 08/08/2019 8:49:23 AM PDT by sheana
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To: LouAvul

Hear!Hear! Thats the plain truth NO one wants to admit. Either a substance has an effect or it does not. If MJ dulls pain receptors as medicine it affects brain neurons. If it does NOT affect the brain then “medicinal” marijuana is a lie. If you have no pain what is it dulling? Your senses,your reactions,your thinking.How does that help an already disturbed brain?


64 posted on 08/08/2019 8:54:02 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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To: punknpuss

“can stay in the body for several days or even weeks.”

It’s the metabolites of THC that linger in the body for weeks. Not the THC itself.

THC is metabolized in about 24 hours.


65 posted on 08/08/2019 9:05:03 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Overloads of estrogen in the womb from birth control at the time of conception is just the start of the drug train for our youth.


66 posted on 08/08/2019 9:12:37 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fireman15

Most homeless are drunks first, using weed when they can get it.

The price differential is enormous. Even on the black market.

But, yeah, both destroy lives. Indisputably.

Just as some cannot handle drink, some cannot handle weed. Even though there are millions who handle both and lead normal lives.

And there are 10s of millions of do-gooders who would outlaw both, or either. Their heart is in the right place. But their goals are proven unreasonable.


67 posted on 08/08/2019 9:12:55 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Rapscallion

Weed is not as harmless as people try to say it is.


68 posted on 08/08/2019 9:14:20 AM PDT by Conserv
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To: polymuser

Well we can’t have boys acting like boys now can we?
I mean, girls are so much easier to handle than boys!
Let’s dope them up and get them to act more like girls.
I mean what could go wrong?
Hopefully a sarcasm tag isn’t needed.


69 posted on 08/08/2019 9:24:32 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Mariner
Any link between young men, depression and alienation will correlate with potential killers.
70 posted on 08/08/2019 9:34:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (Truth cannot be racist; only evil dishonest reprobates would say otherwise - Mychal Massie)
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To: Mariner

I had a conversation with some LEO’s this past weekend.

Pot is now legal where I live and they are happy about it. No more BS busts and time wasting paperwork for something they consider harmless. They noted that pot heads are easy to handle when they need to be taken in and laughed about it, cracking a joke saying “Just toss a bag of chocolate chip cookies in the back of the squad and they will follow it right in.” “No threat at all” they said. Many pot smokers these days are seniors and the LEO’s unanimously asserted they have no interest in rousting Granny for possession of a little weed. Meth, they said, is the real problem drug these days and recounted several anecdotes to substantiate that view.

This conversation occurred Saturday, August 3rd 2019 and involved local police and TSA officers.


71 posted on 08/08/2019 9:34:42 AM PDT by Chuckster (Probably not...)
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To: Mariner
Health studies show children from families that ate caviar have a better chance of getting into an ivy college and Zero chance of being a mass murderer. (hint - it's NOT the fish eggs)

Any link between young men, depression and alienation will correlate with potential killers.

72 posted on 08/08/2019 9:39:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (Truth cannot be racist; only evil dishonest reprobates would say otherwise - Mychal Massie)
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To: 13Sisters76

How to stop mass killings.
Getting rid of guns isn’t the answer—they will use knives, bats, trucks, cars, firebombs, explosives etc...
What can we do?
Some ideas to consider...
1. Ban violent movies and TV shows—we don’t need to see bloody realistic orgies of violence.
2. Ban violent video games (like Japan) Let em play pong.
3. Enforce all existing gun laws.
4. Bring back the ROTC in the schools. Identfy those kinds draw to guns.
5. Bring back the draft—all 18 year old males to serve the nation for 18 months! Use them in the national parks and border but not in an undeclaired war (unless they volunteer)
This way—we can give a father figure to kids, and pick out those kids who need help!
6. Re-establish Mental Hospitals to house and help these who need therapy.
7. Ban pot—Not good.
8. Monitor the internet posting to pick out those who hold deep hateful or murderous ideas.
9. Monitor the schools for problem kids—get them before they act.
10. Put guards in malls, schools etc...
11. Monitor all mosques for hate talk. Do this for violent churches or organizations that call for violence.


73 posted on 08/08/2019 10:11:23 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound ovil.f the guns!)
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To: Keyhopper

We’ve (falsely) changed human dynamics soooo much from a couple centuries ago, we would be unrecognizable to our Founders.

If they watched our interactions these days, for a week, they would all be jaw-dropping, face-palming and likely crying from disappointment.

Started with the Victorian “ladies and gentlemen” BS. Women are not ladies, men are not gentlemen. A pleasant, hopeful lie to ourselves. Then it went on to suffrage, feminism, political correctness and drugging boys (while girls go wild).


74 posted on 08/08/2019 10:11:53 AM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

1. Know God, know the Holy Bible, follow the Ten Commandments and practice the Golden Rule.


75 posted on 08/08/2019 10:14:42 AM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: This_Dude

Some may be smoking pot laced with other drugs. If someone already has a mental illness, smoking a lot of pot can cause psychosis. Most pot smokers won’t be affected, but a mentally unbalanced person may be. It’s hardly unknown for bi-polars to “self medicate” with otherwise “illegal” drugs. My Aunt did so and it made her worse.


76 posted on 08/08/2019 10:26:24 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Mariner

Weed is a psychoactive drug. Weed of today is very potent. Nothing at all like the weed of old.

Many of the shooters are known to be on prescription meds for “mental” issues. In suburban areas of means that create a lot of these shooters, kid acts up a few times in class and ends up on Ritalin, Zoloft of some other psycho cosmetic drug.

What do we know about very potent weed interacting with other psychoactive drugs? Nothing.


77 posted on 08/08/2019 10:28:46 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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To: RatRipper; Mariner; LouAvul

The psychoactive component of marijuana (THC) strongly increases dopamine in the brain. Modern marijuana has higher levels of THC than in the past. Where marijuana is legal, concentrated extracts of THC are available - very powerful, potentially allowing an individual to take hundreds or thousands of times a recreational dose.

Most anti-psychotic drugs are effective because they DECREASE dopamine in the brain. Psychotics, or borderline psychotics, are very vulnerable to the dopamine increasing effects of THC. With enough of dose of concentrated THC, everyone will hallucinate (the main characteristic of psychosis). Smoking marijuana cannot deliver a large enough dose for most people to hallucinate, but it can for borderline individuals.

Not everyone can handle their high the same, partly because their baseline dopamine systems vary among individuals. THC is contraindicated for psychotics, or borderline psychotics.


78 posted on 08/08/2019 11:09:29 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Mariner
Most homeless are drunks first, using weed when they can get it.

Maybe 40 years ago... these days the majority of homeless are completely unmotivated POTHEADS first and drunks when they can't get enough weed. Many stoners with dysfunctional lives appear fine to those who do not know them well, but the truth is that marijuana is typically more damaging to people's lives than alcohol. Both substances cause damage to the brains of those who abuse them but marijuana seems to have more insidious effects that are not as well understood or as immediate as the damage from alcohol.

79 posted on 08/08/2019 12:53:41 PM PDT by fireman15 (p)
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To: Chuckster

“Pot is now legal where I live and they [LEOs] are happy about it. No more BS busts and time wasting paperwork for something they consider harmless.”

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Their department must not have been in on the drug war gravy train. Marijuana prohibition is a cash cow for those in the business of enforcing it - LEOs, prosecutors, politicians, etc.

Why do you think the dems never did squat to legalize when they had Congress and the WH under Obama? Even now in the bluest states, it’s like pulling teeth to get it legalized by their legislatures.


80 posted on 08/08/2019 8:59:00 PM PDT by Ken H (2019 => The House of Representin')
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