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Non-Profit Hospitals Are Making a Killing
FEE ^ | July 26, 2019 | Richard Menger

Posted on 08/03/2019 8:41:36 AM PDT by gattaca

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1 posted on 08/03/2019 8:41:36 AM PDT by gattaca
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For too long the Superbowl was a “non-profit” event that brought them billions of dollars.


2 posted on 08/03/2019 8:43:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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Non profits are not really non profit.


3 posted on 08/03/2019 8:45:51 AM PDT by riverrunner ( o the public,)
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When the CEOs make an average of $2.5 million, it makes you wonder what “non-profit” means. At the very least, I think it means that the concept of “non-profit” - and any tax benefits associated with that status - needs to be seriously re-thought.


4 posted on 08/03/2019 8:46:03 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Non-Profit Hospitals Are Making a Killing

Well, they won't get a lot of returning customers that way.

5 posted on 08/03/2019 8:46:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Are these non-profits truly working for patients, or are they navigating and molding the system’s rules to ensure their greatest possible piece of the health care pie?

Finally, the truth.

Monty, give me door #2.

6 posted on 08/03/2019 8:49:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: a fool in paradise
That's a myth, and it's disappointing that this myth was passed around here on Free Republic for so long.

The National Football League operated as a non-profit corporation because it functioned as an association of for-profit companies. The league's revenues are distributed to the NFL teams and reported as income and profits on THEIR tax returns.

From what I understand, the NFL's arrangement was similar to what you'd find in a commercial condominium association.

They eventually gave up their non-profit status for PR/optics reasons.

7 posted on 08/03/2019 8:53:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: riverrunner

Sure they are. If too much money comes in, the CEO and other execs just get a big fat raise or bonuses to make sure it stays non-profit.


8 posted on 08/03/2019 8:54:42 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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our local for profit hospital lost nearly $40 million last year- and might close- loads of hospitals are closing- likely due to the MASSIVE increase in welfare and medicaid patients both legal citizen and illegal-


9 posted on 08/03/2019 8:57:11 AM PDT by Bob434
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The only thing I would add to this excellent essay is that we have had the emergence of what is at least a commonality of interest if not an actual coalition among payers, pharmaceutical companies, and hospitals (a new iron triangle) which appears to have succeeded in neutralizing the interests of the doctors and the patients (a longstanding dream which each element of this iron triangle was too weak to achieve on their own).


10 posted on 08/03/2019 8:57:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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In addition to the lobbying influence of these organizations, the reason the Federal government and IRS don’t care much about this issue is that the corporations may not pay taxes on profits, but the exorbitant compensation for these executives IS taxable income.


11 posted on 08/03/2019 8:58:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: riverrunner

Isn’t a “non profit” organization supposed to be dedicated to some charitable mission of some sort?

I know a non profit can earn a profit, but I also thought non profits don’t pay dividends to shareholders, and that expenses have to be related to the charitable mission. Is this correct?


12 posted on 08/03/2019 8:59:29 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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So villanizing the salary of the ceo is the issue?

Effin tards.

The hospital, like any business, has to be managed ti profitability


13 posted on 08/03/2019 9:01:04 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0ndRzaz2o)
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loads of hospitals are closing- likely due to the MASSIVE increase in welfare and medicaid patients both legal citizen and illegal

True enough - but the "winners" in this dance of death are surviving because of arguably illegal coordination and political protection.

In 2018, the American Hospital Association spent $23 million on "lobbying", and was #5 out of 4273 lobbying groups.

They are certainly getting their money's worth.

14 posted on 08/03/2019 9:03:48 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
expenses have to be related to the charitable mission. Is this correct?

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

15 posted on 08/03/2019 9:05:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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vMeanwhile, the CEO of non-profit Banner Health, based out of Arizona, raked in $21.6 million last year.

"Raked in". Not "earned". Not "recieved compensation of". "Raked in".

The author wants you to dislike him.

16 posted on 08/03/2019 9:08:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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expenses have to be related to the charitable mission. Is this correct?
That depends on what the meaning of “is” is.


LOL reminds me of the Clintons, and their “charity”.

Daughter Chelsea earns a six figure salary from the Clinton charity.

But seriously, there must be some latitude on what allowable expenses are. I heard that while the non profits don’t pay income tax, they file informational returns with the IRS, which are subject to audit, as any of our income tax returns can be.


17 posted on 08/03/2019 9:08:11 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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18 posted on 08/03/2019 9:09:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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.....navigating and molding the system’s rules to ensure their greatest possible piece of the health care pie?

In my area of rural Oregon, one medical group has bought up nearly all doctors practices, and all hospitals and clinics. There are really no alternatives, unfortunately, because the two hospitals are bad, rated as among the worst in the state. At least the food is good.

There are no doctors who are seeing new patients, so I see PAs who are in their final phase of training, where they see patients. They are under the supervision of a med school doctor.

There is a small medical school in town, teaching osteopathy. Some of the best doctors I've seen have been osteopaths (DO). For those who don't know, a DO receives the same training as a DR, and then some.

19 posted on 08/03/2019 9:10:25 AM PDT by jimtorr
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The morons who populate American politics, and particularly Democrat American politics, wanted their name on a piece of legislation that let them claim they ‘reformed’ health care. They realized that physicians and affiliate caregivers have limited clout, and that the ‘big players’ they had to deal with were going to be the hospital corporations, the insurance companies, and the pharmaceutical companies. So they cut deals with all of them - and this has led to the current disaster (and it is a disaster).

Heath care costs will never go down as long as the current overabundance (and growing) of those in ‘administrative roles’ continues. As I’ve said before, one solution is for the government to limit all administrative costs on every dollar a hospital receives for Medicare or medicaid reimbursement to 10% or less. The private insurers will quickly follow suit. The administrators in hospitals will start to eat each other, and the number of administrators will plummet - as will health care costs.


20 posted on 08/03/2019 9:15:41 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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