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US-China trade talks collapse was ‘not normal’, says veteran US negotiator, as focus turns political
South China Morning Post ^ | Published: 1:39pm, 29 Jul, 2019 Updated: 11:27pm, 29 Jul, 2019 | Finbarr Bermingham

Posted on 07/29/2019 9:35:46 PM PDT by cba123

The dramatic collapse in US-China talks in May suggested that Chinese negotiators did not have full political backing for the concessions they proposed to reach a deal to end the trade war, according to a veteran US trade official ahead of the resumption of face-to-face negotiations this week in Shanghai.

China was reported to have made last minute, large-scale edits to a near-150 page trade agreement draft, which scuppered the prospects for a deal after 11 rounds of negotiations.

The changes suggested that Chinese negotiators never “really connected with all the people who needed to be connected to in order to make the deal”, said Claire Reade, who spent eight years negotiating with China as a senior figure in the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR).

(please see the link, for the full article)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; boycotts; china; sanctions; tariffs; trade
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This is a real good article, in my view.

Glad to hear what happened. Now, Trump, be tough.

(I know, he is the toughest President in at least the last 30 years)

But China still is walking all over America. Big time.

Take a firm stand, Mr. President.

For real. It is all up to you, Mr. President.

1 posted on 07/29/2019 9:35:46 PM PDT by cba123
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To: cba123

https://amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3020455/us-china-trade-talks-collapse-was-not-normal-says-veteran-us


2 posted on 07/29/2019 9:36:48 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Good news they collapsed..!

China is a great force for evil, theft, belligerance.


3 posted on 07/29/2019 9:38:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Yeah it is and for far too long we were made or at least the powers that be tried to make us believe they were otherwise.

They’re not.


4 posted on 07/29/2019 9:42:07 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
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5 posted on 07/29/2019 9:42:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: cba123

“suggested that Chinese negotiators did not have full political backing for the concessions they proposed to reach a deal to end the trade war”

In other words, in the past, our negotiators were so laughably weak that the Chinese crew never even had to check with their bosses. It’s the equivalent of someone walking into a car dealership and offering a salesman sticker price... he doesn’t even have to get that deal past the manager.


6 posted on 07/29/2019 9:43:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: gaijin

I don’t know if I agree.

I think we had a good, fair deal last time.

The CHINESE scuttled the deal, after both sides had agreed to it.

Start thinking of significant trade sanctions Mr. President. The Chinese do not want a fair deal, like what was agreed to already.

Invoke sanctions, Mr. President.


7 posted on 07/29/2019 9:46:25 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: gaijin

In China, you make the deal first - then start negotiating.


8 posted on 07/29/2019 9:52:23 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: cba123

Before Trump my wife used to joke that you could tell when the US was negotiating a trade deal because the US negotiators always returned wearing wine barrels.


9 posted on 07/29/2019 9:56:15 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: cba123

Patience.

https://www.aei.org/publication/its-starting-to-look-like-even-china-cant-make-socialism-work/


10 posted on 07/29/2019 10:00:53 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: cba123

Probably needs to make it known that if the Chinese gonna run out the clock and president Trump wins - well the deal gets crappier for the Chinese and better for U.S.


11 posted on 07/29/2019 10:20:41 PM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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Time to put the squeeze on the Chicoms....it worked with Mexico:

Its time to put the Mexican Squeeze on the Chicoms

Trump negotiator: You are delaying and prevaricating on your end of the agreement:

Chicoms:....more prevaricating

Trump Negotiator: So as a gesture of your sincerity here is a list of 26 people that are supplying Fentanyl to the USA and we would like you to freeze their assets within 24 hours

Chicoms:...more prevaricating

Trump negotiator: Then we have a similar list of 260 people and we we will freeze their assets world wide...maybe your name is on it....do you feel lucky punk?

Chicom negotiator: OK its been so ordered.

12 posted on 07/29/2019 10:21:15 PM PDT by spokeshave (If anything, Trump is guilty of attempting to obstruct injustice.)
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To: datricker

The Chinese must have been watching the Mueller testimony as closely as anyone.

Hopefully the prospect of being stuck with Trump will make them a bit more reasonable.

I’m been suspecting the Chinese are fueling the Democrats - after all - they have the most to gain by taking Trump out of the White House.


13 posted on 07/29/2019 10:40:32 PM PDT by Aria
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To: cba123

Mr.President.Stop these negotiations and poor the tariffs on all goods made in China and imported into the U.S.

How many more years are we going to play these Chinese ?while they steal our industries,technologies and wealth.


14 posted on 07/29/2019 10:43:15 PM PDT by puppypusher ( The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: cba123

When talking of international bureaucrats, “veteran” should be read as “Deep State traitor”.

They didn’t get to those positions unless they were already deeply evil and corrupt.


15 posted on 07/29/2019 10:50:47 PM PDT by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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”Start thinking of significant trade sanctions Mr. President. The Chinese do not want a fair deal, like what was agreed to already. Invoke sanctions, Mr. President.”

I would make the next move expelling all the Chinese spies (I’m sorry, “students”) from the U.S.

16 posted on 07/29/2019 11:17:42 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.`)
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To: datricker

Exactly. The Chicoms have made the calculated gamble that not only they choose to fight Trump’s fair trade policies but they will call in the markets of every crooked selfish American from Joe Biden on down to assist them in 2020. Far cheaper than making a fair trade deal with Trump.


17 posted on 07/29/2019 11:34:58 PM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: cba123

Means China will force Trump to accept a trade deal which is not fair to America.


18 posted on 07/29/2019 11:44:47 PM PDT by granada
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To: All

This article is just offering an excuse to cover for the CCP’s dishonest and shameful behavior.

Considering the importance of these negotiations to the CCP, there is no doubt the Chinese negotiators must have been reporting back to their bosses at least once a day about what happened during the meetings. That means the party bosses must have known every little detail being discussed, and must have given their approval to every little thing the Chinese negotiators agreed to at the negotiating table. In other words, it is not possible for any of the party leaders to only find out about the terms after consensus had been reached by negotiators on both sides, as alleged.

The above is especially true now that the CCP knows we are serious so they can no longer act the way they have always done, i.e., agree to anything and sign any agreement, then just ignore it.

So what really happened? Well, reneging or going back on terms already agreed to at the last minute is one of the negotiating tactics of the Chinese communists. In fact, I read that they did similar things in almost every negotiation with the US in the past. The difference is, in previous incidents, our negotiators were so eager for a deal they just acquiesced to the last minute changes made by the CCP rather than faced the prospect of a seeming failure with a no-deal.


19 posted on 07/29/2019 11:54:25 PM PDT by sun7
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To: cba123

The Chicoms wouldn’t honor the agreement even if it wasn’t marked up. Time to deal with them for what they are - the enemy.


20 posted on 07/30/2019 2:59:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (“They are openly planning to murder you. Have a plan to prevent that.”)
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