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Britain's new leader Johnson: 'We are going to get Brexit done'
Reuters ^ | 23 July, 2019 | Guy Faulconbridge, Elizabeth Piper

Posted on 07/23/2019 11:17:32 AM PDT by BeauBo

Boris Johnson, the Brexiteer who has promised to lead Britain out of the European Union with or without a deal by the end of October, will replace Theresa May as prime minister after winning the leadership of the Conservative Party on Tuesday... May will leave office on Wednesday after going to Buckingham Palace to see Queen Elizabeth, who will formally appoint Johnson.

“We are going to get Brexit done on Oct. 31, and we are going to take advantage of all the opportunities it will bring in a new spirit of ‘can do’,” Johnson, 55, said after the result was announced.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bojo; boris; borisbrexit; borisjohnson; brexit; brexitparty; nigelfarage; unitedkingdom
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To: BeauBo

The thing about Brexit is that the devil is in the details. Just getting it done is not the entire battle. The agreement that May was trying to get through was criminal as far as I am concerned. The deal included things like “no criminal charges” could ever be pursed against members of the EU no matter if they were found to have committed crimes.

The closest this is to a hard Brexit then the more victory that can be claimed.


21 posted on 07/23/2019 1:20:50 PM PDT by Revel
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To: keat

“how can be do it if Parliament can just continue to block it?”

I am guessing they have been focused on this for a long time, and know that business better than any outsider. So he must have a strategy in mind, to come out with such bold and definitive statements, that can be held accountable so soon.


22 posted on 07/23/2019 1:40:23 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
Dumping the EU Forth Reich globalist scum is the first step.

Start closing mosques and ejecting followers before it is too late.

23 posted on 07/23/2019 1:42:28 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: BeauBo

So then the monarchy still controls uk government.


24 posted on 07/23/2019 1:44:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“So then the monarchy still controls uk government.”

Power is divided.

The Monarchy has a Constitutional role, and some Constitutional powers, but they are limited/enumerated.


25 posted on 07/23/2019 2:14:29 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, it’s true - not for show. She has to sign all bills before they become law too. She has real power.but does not exercise it.


26 posted on 07/23/2019 2:31:23 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: BeauBo

She gets to decide who’s prime minister.

Seems an awfully big amount of power.

Can she dissolve parliament?


27 posted on 07/23/2019 2:44:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

She is way more than the figurehead she is often portrayed as, but she doesn’t really use those powers. The Conservative Party picked Johnson, not the queen.


28 posted on 07/23/2019 3:26:03 PM PDT by xxqqzz
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To: BeauBo
He has some big shoes to fill...

Britain needs you Margaret H. Thatcher

At least this pathetic woman is out:


29 posted on 07/23/2019 4:33:52 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: BeauBo

Are the British citizens or subjects?


30 posted on 07/23/2019 5:09:50 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: BeauBo

Parliament would have to revoke Article 50 to block BrExit. This would lead to Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party taking over from the Conservatives as the #1 party, with Labour and the Liberal Demonrats fighting for second. The Conservative-Union Party would then be led by the Ulster Unionists, with the English Tories in fourth or fifth place.
Short version: Neither the Conservatives nor the Labour Party will stop Brexit, as Labour would lose half their seats, and the Tories would lose 80%+ of their seats.


31 posted on 07/23/2019 6:52:29 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
She gets to decide who’s prime minister.

Seems an awfully big amount of power.

Can she dissolve parliament?

Yes, but convention limits the circumstances in which she can do these things, and convention has a lot of power of its own in the British system. A monarch who violated convention would put the monarchy at risk and so they would only do so if the circumstances justified it.

The current Queen has, twice, appointed a Prime Minister, without reference to the result of an election. That was in 1957 and in 1963. In both cases a conservative incumbent (Sir Anthony Eden in 1957, and Harold Macmillan in 1963) resigned suddenly on the grounds of ill health and the Conservative Party had no formal mechanism for choosing a replacement leader, which meant the Queen had to step in and exercise her 'reserve power' - but it's known that the second time it happened, she told the Conservative leaders, they needed to come up with a procedure so she would not have to keep doing this - it's not meant to be a routine way of replacing a Prime Minister.

In terms of the power to dissolve Parliament, the Queen does have that power, but today, it's more a power not to do so. During both World Wars, the Kings of the time (George V in WWI and George VI in WWII) agreed to allow Parliament to go beyond its normal five year maximum term to avoid a situation where a government would have to campaign while fighting for national survival. The condition was elections would be held as soon as it was safe to do so (an election was held very soon after the Armistice of World War I, and after victory in Europe in World War II). These extraordinary decisions to not hold normal elections required the agreement of the King.

There have been occasions in the current Queen's reign when she has had to exercise some influence by the threat she could take action if something was not done - but a good Prime Minister does not force that situation. Back in 2010, when the British general election resulted in a hung Parliament and either the Conservatives or Labour needed to form a coalition to form government, it's known that Gordon Brown (Labour leader and Prime Minister at the time) wound up telling Nick Clegg (the Liberal Democrat Leader) that he had to stop negotiating and accept defeat because it was taking too long and "The Queen expects me to go." It is probably he'd be sent a message along the lines of "If you don't step aside now, I am going to have to step in, and that will be constitutionally embarrassing for everybody," and so he did what he had to do - stepped aside. He did not force the Queen to act.

And that's really how the system works - the fact the Queen has these powers and everybody knows it, means she hardly ever has to actually use them, because people will do the right thing before she has to step in.

32 posted on 07/23/2019 7:50:23 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Secret Agent Man
So then the monarchy still controls uk government.

Yes, in a sense. The Monarch has power to step in if a government is not following the constitution to resolve that situation.

However, Parliament has the power to abolish the Monarchy, or to replace the Monarch.

It's a balancing act - if a Monarch started acting like any sort of dictator, they could be removed from power, or even face the entire Monarchy being destroyed.

For a Monarch to intervene, they would need to decide that the situation is so serious, that the people will accept the Monarch's intervention - and for Parliament to remove the Monarch, or dissolve the Monarchy, they would have to decide that the situation is so serious, that the people would accept that.

33 posted on 07/23/2019 7:56:58 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: BeauBo
Yes, just as another PM said "Brexit means Brexit" - oh wait, she delayed it twice....

do note that parliament goes into its annual holidays from next week until September...

34 posted on 07/24/2019 2:21:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The Queen has to appoint the PM. It is for show - she will not refuse a PM who has adequate support - she constitutionally cannot and she personally does not show her own opinion.

Boris is a sitting member of parliament, and a member of the party which, in coalition with DUP, leads the government

There is no constitutional reason to deny him the premiership

However - it is to be expected that the opposition will call for a no-confidence vote. If Tory defectors vote in favor of no-confidence, then the government would fall and have to call for a general election. However Boris would remain interim PM

What would be the outcome of a potential General Election? Well anyone's guess but the odds are that it will be a hung parliament - Labour and the Tories will lose seats and the LibDems will gain them. UKIP is a dead duck, but the Brexit party will gain a large vote share -- HOWEVER, since they are distributed, in a first-past-the-post system, they will most likely end up with a fewer % of seats than their vote share. The next potential government? Who knows

But to the point - BoJo will be appointed PM of the united kingdom

35 posted on 07/24/2019 2:27:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: I want the USA back
BoJo is no Trump. Trump had significant executive experience and he had a detailed plan. AND he executed it

BoJo has no business experience, he flopped as Foreign Minister and he has no plan.

Don't compare the two

36 posted on 07/24/2019 2:29:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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There is a potential way to achieve Brexit - don't do anything. The deadline is October 31. If no extension is agreed before that, then the UK automatically leaves.

BoJo can just delay, delay, delay, let the parliament go on its holiday until September, then run around in circles.

The EU would actually prefer this option - they don't want to be the ones to be shown throwing the UK out, which a refusal to extend would entail.

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another option may be coming up with impossible requests that will keep the negotiations for extension delayed beyond the deadline and again the UK automatically crashes out

37 posted on 07/24/2019 2:33:46 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: tomkat

The Queen is a gracious and tactful dame - her first PM was Winston Churchill and she’s seen nearly a dozen over the years. She would never voice her own opinion


38 posted on 07/24/2019 2:34:52 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Revel

“no criminal” - that wasn’t in the May deal. Where did you get that, if I may ask?


39 posted on 07/24/2019 2:36:11 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: deadrock

The Moslems in the UK are imported by the UK directly from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria etc. - they don’t come from the EU


40 posted on 07/24/2019 2:37:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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