Posted on 07/14/2019 11:58:33 AM PDT by grumpygresh
Suboxone maker Reckitt Benckiser Group (RB Group) will pay the U.S. government a record $1.4 billion to end criminal and civil probes into the marketing of its addiction treatment medication, making it the largest settlement related to the opioid crisis in U.S. history, authorities said on Thursday.
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Suboxone is used to treat opioid addiction and abuse. It does work on a different receptor that typical opioids and in this sense it's mechanism of action is via an entirely different receptor than morphine, oxycodone etc. The analgesic effect has a plateau unlike morphine and oxycodone etc. Even more importantly it has narcan which blocks action of typical opioids like morhpine, oxycodone. Trump's DOJ is absolutely nuts and has gone wild. They don't even want got treatment for addicts and want the on the street to overdose and commit violent crimes.
Thought you might be interested. This proves intent of DOJ to shift opioid use to the streets.
Hey ####ing GENIUS, I had a stroke because a doctor told me WHICH PHARMACY to go to in order to get THIS and OXYCODONE and take them TOGETHER.
I know you’re not the brightest bulb but look them up taken together and see the havoc they can cause.
See ho many others died or were hospitalized because this drug DIDNT prepare doctors for what it would do AND paid them a FORTUNE to put it out there.
On a regular basis, regarding pain killers, people like you are making me sick to my stomach :)
And NO, I WASNT an addict, NEVER WAS an addict, but when you pay ENOUGH MONEY to doctors like pharma does, #### ups like this happen alot.
I have a feeling the @#$#$#s on this board that defend Big Pharma will go the way of those that once defended H1B so vehemently once.
And if you think this actually helps with addiction long term, that’s even funnier :)
You hicks read anything and believe it
That scares me and always has
I’m interested in if you even read the article.
Another “deep thinker” who protects ANY corporation as a knee JERK reaction.
SMFH
this is as stupid as preauthorization-difficulties
for suboxone-needing patients.
the gov’t should stay out of medicine.
The scam of “treating” one addictive drug with a new addictive drug has gone on for a loooong time.
Suboxone is also addictive and has problems of its own, yet it’s marketed as a cure for addiction, just like heroin was sold as a cure for morphine addiction. Withdrawal from Suboxone is very difficult.
“got head injury, had to work on Staten ISland after that.”
dp0622. From your own FR site. I’m sorry for your condition but it speaks volumes when you comment on these subjects.
Suboxone does work for many addicted to and those that abuse opioids. Any drug can be used improperly and according to your narrative it was and now you have sustained brain damage from your stroke presumably adding to your head injury.
Suboxone is used to treat opioid addiction and abuse. It does work on a different receptor that typical opioids and in this sense it's mechanism of action is via an entirely different receptor than morphine, oxycodone etc. The analgesic effect has a plateau unlike morphine and oxycodone etc. Even more importantly it has narcan which blocks action of typical opioids like morhpine, oxycodone. Trump's DOJ is absolutely nuts and has gone wild. They don't even want got treatment for addicts and want the on the street to overdose and commit violent crimes.
I disagree. I have worked with and personally known many people who have battled an opioid addiction. Opioid addicts become just as dependent on Suboxone as they do on the opioid they are trying to quit. Regardless of how it works, it's not radically different than substituting chewing tobacco for cigarettes in an attempt to quit smoking.
Suboxone really just delays the withdrawal process. It seems to have the intended effect as a patient is slowly weened off of it, and they will seem fine even as the dosages are reduced, but once it stops completely, the full brunt of opioid withdrawal kick in and it is no easier to deal with.
This is why opioid addiction is such a big problem. There is currently no way around the horrible withdrawals that come with quitting. Many more people would be able to quit if there were. Every addict has to suffer through it, with or without medically assisted detox.
And just to give you an idea of how bad it is, I've seen one addict who was induced into a coma due to a very severe case of pneumonia. He couldn't breathe on his own and had to be kept alive on respirators in the I.C.U. He did not inform the hospital of his addiction and he went through the withdrawal process during his stay. The withdrawals were so bad that he actually kept waking up out of the induced coma, having no idea where he was or what he was doing, other than trying to pull off all of the equipment he was hooked up to.
This drug is as addictive as the drug you are trying to get people off of but without the “high”. So yes you are replacing one addictive drug with another.
Suboxone works on a different analgesic receptor (kappa) and has an analgesic ceiling effect so that taking more does not produce euphoria. Morhpine, oxycodone etc do not have this ceiling effect.
This is substantially different than heroin or methadone which act primarily on mu receptor (methadone has minor activity on one other analgesic receptor). It also has a mu receptor blocker.
I am no fan of big Pharma. They have a tremendous amount of negative influence on government policy in many areas. But the DOJ is clearly promoting illicit drug use with these policies by not stopping illicit drugs, reducing treatment for addiction and forcing chronic pain patients off opioids.
Yes, it does replace addictive drugs. But, it’s safer than the mu receptor drugs. It also blocks with narcan.
True, it’s not a cure for addiction. But there is no cure for opioid addiction in the vast majority of cases. It’s a chronic life long disease with a strong genetic component.
We treat many chronic conditions with medications for a lifetime. I don’t see why we can’t do this for opioid addicts and I’m very surprised that most people seem to prefer to reject this option and essentially advocate for no effective treament as the default position.
So how would you treat addiction? Send people to the streets? Non compliance with daily methadone (which is a more direct form of replacement)?Tell them to just get over it? Endless sessions with a therapist which never work? Imprsonment for life? Forced conversion to Mormonism? Yoga?
The cliff notes version is RB Group's patent on the pill form was going to expire, so they created a new film based version for under the tongue use. Then priced the pill off the market while claiming the film version was less addictive when it was not. This was to keep their patent and prevent generic versions of Suboxone getting on the market. So from what I see, this is about unethical business practices.
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on top of it you have to be federally certified to prescribe it. Very few providers I know can do so.
As a workers comp case manager, I’ve seen my share of clients with drug addiction secondary to a work related injury-if you do not watch your client using CIA-type tactics, some doc who wants his/her claws on money paid by the comp carrier for treatment-which to them means pain meds, sleeping meds, psychotropics/anti-depressants or any other highly addictive drugs-it is fast and easy as an income stream-so when your client asks you to recommend a renewal for a scrip for opiates, psychotropic drugs, etc, and you see signs of addiction-guess what needs to be done?
You send the client to a psychotherapist for a determination of possible addiction-it the result is “yes”, then off to inpatient rehab they go for 60-90 days-for intensive, psychotherapy without drugs-anything else is just substituting one addiction for another-you could just send the client to a self-help/12 step program for that-which is also not an acceptable solution-you require a documented cure, not a recipe for relapse like that...
Replacement drugs are not safe-they only set up the addicted person for later failure-they will still to have to face withdrawal eventually, and most employers will not hire/re-hire a worker until they are completely free of addictive drugs and ready to return to work-no favor is being done for an addict when they are given drugs like Suboxone-it is just pharma and docs making money from another legal addiction-therapy does work if it is done by an experienced psychotherapist who isn’t afraid to be tough and real...
The genetic link to addiction is far from settled science, and probably always will be-it is right up there with the theory that there is a genetic pre-disposition to homosexuality...
In my opinion and experience, we are too eager to call too many conditions “lifelong” so docs and pharma can prescribe meds for life and make money-frankly, most of them don’t give a s*** about the multiple possibly damaging side effects, or for the person as a human being-just a cash cow...
Thank you for clarifying that-may I save it for future reference in case asked?
sure!
Thanks!
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