To: so_real
You misunderstood me. I was taught there were two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born, stop end of story. Anyone who did not have to go through a naturalition process is a natural born citizen. This is what I was taught at both the high school and college level in the 80s and 90s. I had never heard any nonsense about three types of citizens; natural born citizen, citizen, and naturalized citizen, until the birther movement started.
The argument I was making in my previous post is that if there is a natural born citizen and a citizen status then this should be recorded on birth certificates. Its not because it doesnt exist.
To: OIFVeteran
I was taught there were two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born, stop end of story. Those are the only two identified by the Constitution. If you are not one then you have to be the other.
To: OIFVeteran
You misunderstood me. I was taught there were two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born, stop end of story.
Agree.
Anyone who did not have to go through a naturalition process is a natural born citizen.
Disagree. That is backwards. You are saying logic dictates that anyone who cannot meet the lower bar must be party to the higher bar. But that is not so. Logic dictates that anyone who cannot meet the higher bar is party to the lower bar. (You can be a high school graduate without honors cords, but you cannot have honors cords without graduating. Honors is the higher bar.) Anyone who is not a natural born citizen (born in country of parents who are citizens) must have been naturalized through adoption, marriage, decree, or Congressional naturalization process (or is not a citizen at all). Likewise anyone at graduation without honors cords must have graduated without honors (or did not graduate at all).
This is what I was taught at both the high school and college level in the 80s and 90s.
Maybe you got the "new math". Mine taught me that natural born citizen was the higher bar to reach.
I had never heard any nonsense about three types of citizens; natural born citizen, citizen, and naturalized citizen, until the birther movement started.
Fair enough.
173 posted on
07/14/2019 6:36:44 AM PDT by
so_real
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To: OIFVeteran; so_real
I was taught there were two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born, stop end of story. Consider this: on day 1 the Constitution spoke only of "people", "citizens" and "natural born citizens". It further recognized and included language that made provision for the fact it would be several decades before it would be possible for anyone to be a "natural born citizen".
With regard to your contention that since birth certificates do not provide for a "natural born" option, there must not be such a classification, bear in mind certificates have generally requested the birthplace of both parents.
Current immigration policies even today provide for some to be "natural born citizens" (google it yourself, don't take my word for it.)
181 posted on
07/14/2019 1:32:12 PM PDT by
frog in a pot
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