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To: OIFVeteran
You misunderstood me. I was taught there were two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born, stop end of story.

Agree.

Anyone who did not have to go through a naturalition process is a natural born citizen.

Disagree. That is backwards. You are saying logic dictates that anyone who cannot meet the lower bar must be party to the higher bar. But that is not so. Logic dictates that anyone who cannot meet the higher bar is party to the lower bar. (You can be a high school graduate without honors cords, but you cannot have honors cords without graduating. Honors is the higher bar.) Anyone who is not a natural born citizen (born in country of parents who are citizens) must have been naturalized through adoption, marriage, decree, or Congressional naturalization process (or is not a citizen at all). Likewise anyone at graduation without honors cords must have graduated without honors (or did not graduate at all).

This is what I was taught at both the high school and college level in the 80s and 90s.

Maybe you got the "new math". Mine taught me that natural born citizen was the higher bar to reach.

I had never heard any nonsense about three types of citizens; natural born citizen, citizen, and naturalized citizen, until the birther movement started.

Fair enough.


173 posted on 07/14/2019 6:36:44 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

So you are saying that someone born in the US who had one parent that is not a US citizen is a naturalized citizen not a natural born citizen? I don’t think any court has made such a ruling and all rulings to date on this issue use the 14th amendments “all persons born or naturalized, in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the states where they reside.”

Two types of citizens, natural born and naturalized. Though the writers of the 14th amendment did not put natural born citizen all legal commentary I have read on it is that it has been determined that they meant NBC.

The “jurisdiction thereof” covers diplomats and embassy personnel. They are not subject to the laws of this country so when they have a child in the US it is not given an American birth certificate.

Again if people born here of parent(s) that are not citizens are not natural born citizens shouldn’t there be a place on the birth certificate to signify that difference?


177 posted on 07/14/2019 10:14:33 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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