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To: so_real

So you are saying that someone born in the US who had one parent that is not a US citizen is a naturalized citizen not a natural born citizen? I don’t think any court has made such a ruling and all rulings to date on this issue use the 14th amendments “all persons born or naturalized, in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the states where they reside.”

Two types of citizens, natural born and naturalized. Though the writers of the 14th amendment did not put natural born citizen all legal commentary I have read on it is that it has been determined that they meant NBC.

The “jurisdiction thereof” covers diplomats and embassy personnel. They are not subject to the laws of this country so when they have a child in the US it is not given an American birth certificate.

Again if people born here of parent(s) that are not citizens are not natural born citizens shouldn’t there be a place on the birth certificate to signify that difference?


177 posted on 07/14/2019 10:14:33 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran

I am saying that (Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4) the Congress shall have power to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization. Ergo, anyone who owes their citizenship to an Act of Congress, has been naturalized even if naturalized at birth. Congress has the authority to convey citizenship upon a person and does so via naturalization. There are no Constitutional amendments granting the Congress the authority to convey "natural born" citizenship upon a person by act of Congress. To do so would be illogical. If citizenship must be conveyed by an act of Congress, it is not "natural" citizenship at all.

Though the writers of the 14th amendment did not put natural born citizen all legal commentary I have read on it is that it has been determined that they meant NBC.

I would enjoy seeing your evidence for this assertion. I've seen none. In fact just the opposite. Representative John Bingham who was the primary author of the 14th Amendment states quite clearly in regard to it "[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen". I don't think John Bingham could have been more clear. Natural born citizens are citizens born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty. His words can be twisted no other way, and I would genuinely be interested to see the evidence you refer to of such twisting.

Regarding the birth certificate question, no, I do not believe it necessary for a birth certificate to denote whether citizenship upon the newborn was conveyed naturally or via naturalization. It is irrelevant to the exercise of 99.999% of the rights and duties of the citizen. It has meaning only should the citizen pursue the position of POTUS. At which point we *should* be able to apply original intent as well as a review of the Acts of Congress to establish if the candidate was naturally born a citizen, or was naturalized at birth or later in life. It is sad, really, that we are so handicapped in contemporary times that this simple protection instituted by our Founders is so terribly muddied, "cuz feelings".


197 posted on 07/15/2019 5:02:31 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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