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IAAF claims Olympic champion Semenya is 'biologically male'
FoxNews.com ^ | June 19, 2019 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/19/2019 7:44:35 AM PDT by ETL

The governing body of track argued in court that Olympic champion Caster Semenya is "biologically male" and that is the reason she should reduce her natural testosterone to be allowed to compete in female competitions, ..."

Semenya was legally identified as female at birth and has identified as female her whole life. But the IAAF says she is one of a number of female runners in elite athletics who have medical conditions known as "differences of sex development" and who were born with the typical male XY chromosome pattern.

That gives them some male biological characteristics, male levels of the hormone testosterone after puberty, and an unfair athletic advantage over other female athletes, the IAAF says.

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1 posted on 06/19/2019 7:44:35 AM PDT by ETL
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2 posted on 06/19/2019 7:44:49 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Does he/she have a penis or does he/she have a vagina???


3 posted on 06/19/2019 7:47:01 AM PDT by JBW1949
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To: JBW1949

How the heck should I know??


4 posted on 06/19/2019 7:47:41 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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Hard decision. She has the genetic xy gene pattern of a male but she was born a woman. If you start trying to cull out naturally occurring advantages, there is no end. Michael Phelps foot size. Someone else with an abnormally high oxygen processing. Too much radid-firing muscle mass. I think it is what it is for someone who did nothing to intentionally gain an advantage.


5 posted on 06/19/2019 7:53:13 AM PDT by ScarletRed
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To: ETL

Do away with all sex/gender categories in athletic competitions. No more “men’s” track or “women’s” track events, just track events (or soccer or golf or basket ball, etc). Problem solved. I’m sure those claiming the sexes are “equal in all ways,” would have no problem with this.


6 posted on 06/19/2019 7:59:39 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911/June 14, 1946)
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To: JBW1949

I ain’t gonna look.


7 posted on 06/19/2019 8:00:16 AM PDT by dynachrome (Build the wall, deport them all.)
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To: ScarletRed

I think your reasoning is exactly correct. She should be allowed to compete as a woman as she was born.


8 posted on 06/19/2019 8:05:11 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam stupid!)
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To: ScarletRed

I know of a young person who was born male, XY, but had a very small penis, almost non existent. He also had no real legs. At the urging of doctors, his parents were encouraged to raise him as a girl from birth. For lack of a better term, he was an experiment. He was named with a girl’s name, was dressed as a girl, raised as a girl completely. However, his genetics started catching up to him. He played rough. He was aggressive. By the time he was 7, he was having a hard time getting along with his female peers. He played more frequently with the boys at school. Finally, his parents talked with the doctors again, who basically said, we’re sorry, we screwed up, we thought this would be best. So they got permission to legally change his name to a male name, cut his hair, and let him dress as the boy he was. Problem solved!

I bring this up because it might have been known at birth that Semenya was a biological male but didn’t have full equipment. Perhaps “she” fared better than the boy in my example, but found success with athletic events from a young age.


9 posted on 06/19/2019 8:08:56 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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She disputes that she has a significant performance advantage.

So says the Olympic gold medalist, running in women's events with XY chromosomes, undescended testicles, no uterus, and male testosterone levels. Just one of the girls. That's the party line. Glad to see an official body finally standing up and pushing back.

There is a whole alphabet soup of exotic conditions involving sex related genetic abnormalities. Semenya may be a genuinely intersex individual with ambiguous genitalia. I am an agnostic. Her full medical report should be made public. Yes, she has privacy rights, and she is sick and tired of being treated like a lab animal. But she is a hard case being exploited to wreck women's athletics. There is really no substitute for full transparency.

10 posted on 06/19/2019 8:10:24 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: FamiliarFace

I think you may be exactly right about Semenya.


11 posted on 06/19/2019 8:11:19 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: JBW1949

I’m betting that he/she had a very small penis at birth, and was raised as a girl to avoid eventual embarrassment later in life.


12 posted on 06/19/2019 8:13:28 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: sphinx

*XY chromosomes, undescended testicles, no uterus, and male testosterone levels*

*There is a whole alphabet soup of exotic conditions involving sex related genetic abnormalities. Semenya may be a genuinely intersex individual with ambiguous genitalia.*

Exactly. You understand precisely what is going on here.

Note that the article uses this language to describe Semenya, “Semenya was legally identified as female at birth.”

*Legally identified* at birth. That tells me that her genitalia was ambiguous.


13 posted on 06/19/2019 8:25:57 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: ETL

Well, NSS! Anyone with working eyes could have told you that!


14 posted on 06/19/2019 9:09:54 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: dynachrome
I ain’t gonna look.

Someone has to do the research for us. Take one for the team. So to speak.

15 posted on 06/19/2019 9:13:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ETL

Semen? Ya.


16 posted on 06/19/2019 9:18:58 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: ETL
Sing to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands".

If a person has a penis, he's a man. 👏👏
If a person has a penis, he's a man. 👏👏
If he doesn't want to lose it
Even though he doesn't use it
If a person has a penis, he's a man. 👏👏

If a person has a nut sack, he's a man. 👏👏
If a person has a nut sack, he's a man. 👏👏
He can tuck it to conceal it
Let it dangle and reveal it
If a person has a nut sack, he's a man. 👏👏

If he amputates his bits, he's still a man 👏👏
If he amputates his bits, he's still a man 👏👏
If the chromosome's a "Y"
He will always be a GUY........
If he isn't born a woman, he's a man 👏👏
17 posted on 06/19/2019 9:23:18 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: ScarletRed

The thing is we don’t have categories for people with big feet or superior muscles, we DO have categories specifically for women, because if we didn’t women would be virtually nonexistent in elite level sports. If you want argue we should do away with gender segregation in sports so be it, but that is the system we have, most people accept it and as such there has to be a way to define what is and is not a woman. It can’t be just because you identify as female or a lot of transgender women will start competing which is already happening.


18 posted on 06/19/2019 9:40:48 AM PDT by PA2SK
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To: JBW1949

Since she was declared at birth to be female, perhaps that may offer you some clue, though of course I am only guessing that it may. 8>)


19 posted on 06/19/2019 9:59:52 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: PA2SK

All female athletes should look like the dancing princess from Australia.


20 posted on 06/19/2019 10:00:04 AM PDT by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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