Posted on 06/01/2019 1:57:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Donald John TrumpOcasio-Cortez returns to bartending in support of tipped workers: 'Still got it!' Trade wars have cost stock market trillion: Deutsche Bank analysis Dollar stores warn they will have to raise prices over tariffs MORE has said that if the House were to impeach him despite his not having committed “high crimes and misdemeanors,” he might seek review of such an unconstitutional action in the Supreme Court. On April 24, he tweeted that if “the partisan Dems ever tried to Impeach, I would first head to the U.S. Supreme Court. Not only are there no 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors,' there are no Crimes by me at all.”
Yesterday, when asked by a reporter if he thinks Congress will impeach him, the president responded, “I don’t see how. They can because they’re possibly allowed, although I can’t imagine the courts allowing it.”
Commentators have accused Trump of not understanding the way impeachment works and have stated quite categorically that the courts have no constitutional role to play in what is solely a congressional and political process. Time magazine declared in a headline “That’s Not How It Works,” and Vox called the president’s argument “profoundly confused.”
Scholars also echoed the derision. The influential legal blog Lawfare wrote confidently that “The Supreme Court Has No Role in Impeachment,” and my friend and colleague Larry Tribe, an eminent constitutional law scholar, called Trump’s argument simply “idiocy,” explaining that “the court is very good at slapping down attempts to drag things out by bringing it into a...”
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“...In “The Long Goodbye” by the award-winning author, Conor Cruise O’Brien, this is exhaustively documented. The more you learn of Jefferson the less you respect him. ...”
I think I have read every major Jefferson biography and discussion of that period. And that is what happened to me!
My regard for Jefferson declined with ever new work I read. My regard for Washington and Hamilton rose. Washington truly was the indispensable man.
You sure it wasn’t this book?
The Long Affair: Thomas Jefferson and the French Revolution, 1785-1800
by Conor Cruise O’Brien
The House Managers who submitted the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
Read this website's description of the Clinton impeachment and trial to see how the Senate behaved during the trial portion.
-PJ
Thanks for that information. I’ll need to read more on this subject. We’re you referring to ‘The Long Affair’ by O’Brien?
I agree. Any Democrat who tries to remove the President absent an actual reason to do so is then attempting a coup and if they’re met with deadly force in the preservation of the Republic then so be it.
Hopefully it will be the US military that acts to remove these traitors if it comes to it.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States...In all Cases affecting...public Ministers...the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.U.S. Const., Art. III, Sec. 2, Cl. 1, 2.
SCOTUS has jurisdiction over any dispute that legitimately involves a "federal question" (that which legitimately involves the Constitution or federal law). Certainly Trump's case would qualify. Also, Trump, as a "public minister" would qualify for original jurisdiction meaning he could go straight to SCOTUS bypassing lower courts.
People need to get back to actually reading and understanding the Constitution.
Your comment about "unelected federal agencies" doesn't belong here. This has nothing to do with utterly unconstitutional Administrative/Regulatory State and their utterly unconstitutional agencies. which must be dismantled if we are to restore our Free Constitutional Republic.
“he (Dersh) supported Hillary Clinton and doesn’t try to hide that fact, even when he’s on Hannity’s show.”
Just tonight he mentioned he doesn’t think Hillary should be investigated.
“Washington truly was the indispensable man.”
From God, as is Trump.
Dershowitz is really for a de-escalation of using the criminal justice system for these political fights. He does have a point. All this crap should have stopped a long time ago. But, I think the Rats went too far this time and now, I hope Barr makes them pay, at least a little. I am not hoping for too much though based on past Republican investigation screw ups.
Respectfully disagree.
The “trier of fact” is a judge or a jury.
In the case of impeachments, the trier of fact is the Senate as a body.
-PJ
John Roberts is not the Chief Justice “of the Supreme Court”.
He is the Chief Justice of the United States. His authority, therefore, extends to matters beyond those before the Supreme Court, and his presence as the presiding officer over a Senate trial of the President is not because he sits on the Court, it’s because of the high office of state he holds.
At some point you might consider putting together a constitutionally-based rationale for your disagreement here, or for your viewpoint in general when it comes to the feds and the Constitution.
You have a fair point.
He is likely to be soft on Clinton - but I think it’s because he doesn’t believe she was a part of Obama’s spying - that is his big issue - civil liberties violations in particular.
Other violations, which she WAS involved in, like profiteering from her SoS position, coverups, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, perjury, witness tampering, suborning perjury, etc. - these are also abuses of power.
But Dersh is a apparently soft on this type of “political corruption” - he thinks the appropriate punishment for political crimes should be meted out by the voter - not the DOJ or the Legislature.
I personally would like to see Hillary Clinton in prison or hanged - but it won’t happen... there are far too many Americans on both the right and the left who would be against it. Elected officials hanging or putting other elected officials (or candidates) in jail? Too much like a banana republic - how can the people ever be sure it was impartial justice vs political reprisal? They can’t - so the best punishment is political shame and banishment - by the voters.
Brennon, Comey, etc. - they were not elected or running for election - so the American people might support them serving prison time if convicted... let’s hope so.
At some point you might consider that congress has has impeachment firmly ensconced in its authority by the constitution without any reference to the judicial branch. Thus the Constitution specifically calls out Congressional authority over impeachment. Article III does not amend this carve out in any way nor does any area of the Constitution. So there is no role for the federal courts in impeachment other than the Chief Justice serving as Judge of the proceedings in the Senate.
The biggest falsehood being promulgated upon the people at this time is that impeachment is a political activity. In fact it is intended to be a legal activity where where illegal activities of elected and appointed officials are address. Today American congressmen are trying to convince the American people that impeachment is little more than a popularity contest whereby they intend to overturn an election and if not able to effect that the intent is to so damage the President so much as to prevent his re-election. Having the rogue federal judiciary stick their nose in this is the last thing America needs.
Yes.
One just goes further and deeper into the Constitution with no end.
Magnificent.
As to actual knowledge/understanding of the Constitution, some of the folks around here have read it within the last ten years. It is a sad situation to see pearls before swine.
Hamilton was the most unjustly vilified among the Founders and played an indispensable role in advising Washington throughout the Revolution and Founding.
His story is that of screenplay gone wild and one cannot believe that only one life could have been everywhere and in every contradiction.
It is so fascinating that it demands a movie (no one reads) to educate the People about him. So I worked on a screenplay for ten years with the head of the Screenwriting Program at UCLA. Health matters took a hand and it stands as it did.
Then the musical “Hamilton” verified my instinct that the latent interest was there.
Yes agree no one reads!
Agree wholeheartedly regarding Hamilton!
Public school K12 education tends to lean you toward mindless Jefferson worship (Even back in the 1960s!). Minimizes even Washington’s contribution, but if you actually study the period you see that is 180 degrees out of phase!
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