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Neil Gorsuch Sides With Liberals — Again
PJ Media ^ | 05/21/2019 | Tyler O' Neil

Posted on 05/21/2019 7:20:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Reno89519
Has the federal government turned all federal lands over to the states west of the Mississippi? They were suppose to do so.

Everything BUT lands that were reserved for military use were to be turned over to their respective states when they were granted statehood.

So it seems the fedgov wants it both ways.

As usual.

61 posted on 05/21/2019 9:21:57 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Human beings don't behave rationally. We rationalize our behavior.)
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To: DesertRhino

Probably some truth to that. Having grown up in the Southwest , I certainly have a different perspective than many of the New England RINOs I come across these days.

That being said, a judge (or any thinking man) should be able to put that to the side when it comes to the law.


62 posted on 05/21/2019 9:25:00 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
From what I understand, the details of that case revolve around how exactly the word "unoccupied" was defined at the time the 1868 treaty was signed.

One reading -- which was apparently accepted by the four dissenting justices -- was that "unoccupied" meant there was no sovereign authority over the land other than the U.S. government. In this sense, it would be a legal distinction similar to a large section of wilderness that had no governance one day but then became part of a state park or wildlife preserve the next day.

I find the whole thing largely academic, and can easily see how each side would have a strong case.

63 posted on 05/21/2019 9:29:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Out on the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.")
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To: jmaroneps37

No more Westerners or Episcopalians.


64 posted on 05/21/2019 9:36:58 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election))
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To: SeekAndFind

Did not,at least partly,this nation begin because they were tired of the King’s hunting and fishing laws? We are quickly adopting the same “laws” here. I am tired of trying to fish and having game wardens pull up armed with guns that I could never afford in boats that I could never afford hoping to fine me for fishing,which I can BARELY afford.Time to get a grip,people...


65 posted on 05/21/2019 9:48:20 AM PDT by MidniteRyder
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To: SeekAndFind

I want a Supreme Court justice to think for themselves. A true Conservative wants the court to decide on the law and not a political block.


66 posted on 05/21/2019 9:53:33 AM PDT by Pirate Ragnar
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To: SeekAndFind
How is it "liberal" to support treaty rights of Native Americans? This is a terrific ruling. I hope they have the same thought process when deep pocket construction and development interests get governments to seize private property.

The Fascists who unfortunately have too much control over the Republican Party are not conservative. This ruling is actually Conservative, because it is recognizing tribal rights.

67 posted on 05/21/2019 9:53:35 AM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: SeekAndFind

The “liberal” justices may be right on this, and it’s interesting that they decided it on originalist grounds.


68 posted on 05/21/2019 10:01:15 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Isn’t Roe v. Wade a Precedent as well?

Yes, a longstanding one, at least according to its defenders. Since 1973. That's 46 years.

Yet, Justice Blackmun, who wrote Roe, admitted that there was no real basis for it in the Constitution, saying he found it in the "penumbras and emanations" of the constitution, specifically the Fourth Amendment. Even Ginsburg, who supports the result of Roe, has said that it was incorrectly decided.

Now, Roe has stood for 46 years, as I noted above. So, according to liberals, it's an unassailable "superprecedent" that cannot be overturned. Yet, Plessy v. Ferguson (the "separate but equal" decision), decided in 1896, had stood for 58 years until it was overturned in 1954 by Brown v. Board of Education. I wonder of they would have any trouble with having overtunred Plessy. Why was it not a "supreprecedent"?

69 posted on 05/21/2019 10:13:42 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can’t fault Gorsuch on this one. A treaty is a treaty and unless it is stated in the treaty that it would expire on Wyoming becoming a State, then it is still an extant treaty, precedent be damned. If they got it wrong the first time that does not require them to get it wrong in subsequent cases.


70 posted on 05/21/2019 10:27:02 AM PDT by arthurus (sahy)
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To: Mastador1
When it comes right down to it, exactly how damaging is it to allow the Indians to hunt out of season safely and within reason?

But that's a big part of this. He was hunting out of season, and from some accounts, left most of the meat on three to five elk. Further, they argue that the Tribes' hunting rights are completely unrestricted. There is no 'safely' or 'within reason'. Even if there was, how do you define within reason? Most of our society already does - it's called bag limits and in-season. Should he have simply an expanded season? Full-year season? Why should he get special hunting rights just because he's a member of an American Tribe?

On the other point of this, I do agree that, if anything, a national forest would be the first land defined as 'unoccupied'. More so than just about any other land. And Wyoming becoming a state doesn't make any federal treaty go away in any way. The only way it would is as the State built up, you have less and less ground that would be unoccupied.
71 posted on 05/21/2019 12:07:02 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Wuli
How about “Liberals at SCOTUS side with Gorsuch”.

Because Sotomayor wrote the opinion, Gorsuch just joined it.

72 posted on 05/21/2019 1:54:58 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Oscar in Batangas

I agree, correct decision.


73 posted on 05/21/2019 1:56:34 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: arthurus
a treaty is a treaty until its not....it goes both ways....you want sovereignty over "your" lands, okay...

but how many casinos have been placed on OUR land thru special deals with the state govts and that land become "sovereign" thus OUR laws do not apply.....neither do they get taxed...in my state of Washington the rat govt even allowed the indians to have off rez gas stations and the state is losing millions upon millions of gas tax revenue......

I was hoping that we would finally have some common sense in the SC......I guess not.....its still about upholding special rights except if your white/Christian...

just wait til the indians can hunt for game in Yellowstone or Yosemite and no tax paying American citizen can go there.....THAT is a definate possibility...

Sherwood forest all over again.....

74 posted on 05/21/2019 2:05:31 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ConservativeDude

Gorsuch is absolutely an advocate of natural law. Moreover where people claim that he “sided with the liberals” no one reads the decisions. Gorsuch has been consistently conservative in his jurisprudence but people can only count numbers and look at “outcomes” rather than look at the rationale.


75 posted on 05/21/2019 2:15:41 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: Mr. K

I thought exactly the same thing: 9-0 would have been the ONLY correct decision if we believe that treaty law is pre-eminent in the country


76 posted on 05/21/2019 2:24:07 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas (Jan. 20, 2017, 12:00 PM: The End of an ERROR)
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To: Svartalfiar
To answer as far as within reason, it is not within reason to kill an animal and leave it/or most of it behind to rot no matter who you are.

As for Why should he get special hunting rights just because he's a member of an American Tribe? Because there is a valid treaty with the Federal government that says so?

77 posted on 05/21/2019 3:17:30 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1
To answer as far as within reason, it is not within reason to kill an animal and leave it/or most of it behind to rot no matter who you are.

No, but if the treaty gives them a fully unrestricted right to hunt, then they can shoot as much as they want just for fun, and it would be perfectly legal. BUT, if the Treaty does allow for restrictions moreso than 'unoccupied lands', then why would those reasonable restriction not be the same season/bag limit that wildlife management puts on everyone? Those limits are for the good of the herds, not just for the people hunting for the heck of it.

Because there is a valid treaty with the Federal government that says so? [special hunting rights]

As I said above, IF that's what the treaty says. Unless the treaty specifies unlimited or unrestricted hunting on all unoccupied lands, then it is perfectly reasonable to subject their hunting to the same season/bags as everyone else. Otherwise, what's the point of wildlife management?
78 posted on 05/22/2019 10:18:38 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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