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Recent School Shootings Spark Question: Should Students Try To Thwart A Shooter?
WBUR ^ | May 9, 2019 | Jack Mitchell and Peter O'Dowd

Posted on 05/11/2019 1:07:17 PM PDT by DoodleBob

When someone opens fire at a school, should students intervene?

It's a question being raised after two shootings in which students lost their lives after choosing to take action. Kendrick Castillo, 18, died in Tuesday's shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch outside Denver. He was shot and killed when he tackled one of the shooters, giving other students a chance to flee.

Last week 21-year-old University of North Carolina Charlotte student Riley Howell met the same fate when he knocked a campus shooter off his feet.

"When we're talking about school shooters, almost always, if anybody's going to get shot, it's the intervener. That's why we put police officers in Kevlar vests," says Frank Zimring, a professor of law and criminal justice studies at the University of California Berkeley.

In the Colorado and North Carolina shootings, Zimring says each intervention likely saved lives.

One of the Colorado students who charged the Highlands Ranch shooter along with Castillo said at a press conference he had "no hesitation" about jumping into action to try to thwart the attack. Zimring, who studies gun violence and mass shootings, says teenage "machismo or heroic ambition" likely played a role in that decision. And while that bravery is admirable, Zimring says intervention is always the least-preferable option.

"From an authority or risk-management standpoint, it is only when contacts with authorities who are armed and trained, or escape or hiding, is not possible, when it really becomes a situation where intervention might be necessary," he tells Here & Now's Peter O'Dowd.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; colorado; npr; shooting
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To: DoodleBob

Non-intervention didn’t work out well for the Jews ... just saying.


61 posted on 05/11/2019 5:20:55 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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To: DoodleBob

No, the adults present and responsible for school children ought to draw their concealed firearms and shoot the bastard dead....

Ooops, did I say ….. Draw their firearms and shoot..., and you thought I was gonna apologize for the B word!


62 posted on 05/11/2019 5:49:27 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Vermont Lt

Lt.

Most will, in order: Run, 70%, Hide 24.9% Fight .1%.

Thank God for the .1%


63 posted on 05/11/2019 5:54:37 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Mount Athos
You are obviously a true American wkth your head filled witb those silly notions of self reliance, personal responsibility and sacrifice.

Please report immediately to your nearest indoctrination...er...I mean reeducation center.

64 posted on 05/11/2019 5:55:03 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Manly Warrior

And in high school..that’s just fine with me.


65 posted on 05/11/2019 6:03:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If we get Medicare for all, will we have to show IDs for service?)
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To: RArtfulogerDodger
"More to the point: the godforsaken liberal schools should be bring in experts in combat to teach students THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS!!"

I've long thought maybe there is a problem with this - as the killer gets the same training. How do we counter that?

66 posted on 05/11/2019 6:43:27 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (Jesus drove a Honda,but didn't talk about it:"For I did not speak of my own Accord"John 12:49(KJV))
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To: DoodleBob

Near Ambush, violently charge the attacker. It’s standard immediate action


67 posted on 05/11/2019 7:16:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Perfectly started Mrs Don-o. You may drop the microphone


68 posted on 05/11/2019 7:26:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: lonestar67
Aspirant thrill seeking killers will shift their mode to some other form of crime such as tylenol tampering etc

So which is it, aspirant or Tylenol?

69 posted on 05/12/2019 12:48:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This Space For Rant)
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To: DoodleBob

It is so much better when a shooter(s) can unload all of his rounds into unarmed students lined up against a wall, and, he is arrested after the carnage. Besides, UpChuckie looks and sounds so much better when there are dead students around.


70 posted on 05/12/2019 5:56:39 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (60 in '20. Now, more than ever!)
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To: Vermont Lt; ClearCase_guy
Thank you. Your posts are why I didn't add a barf alert.

In aquatic lifesaving, if someone is drowning there are four levels of rescue: reach, throw, row, go. Swimming out to save the person could result in your own death. A measured approach is required.

In all of those cases, however, the lifeguard is not advised to sit on their hands. You DO YOUR JOB.

There are PLENTY of students who I would NOT recommend that they rush the shooter. They may be infirm, not of sound mind, and they may scream something like "leave everyone in the broom closet alone!"

To be sure, this article generally pushed a victim mentality. And in the end it is a personal choice. If someone comes in to my home they're dead meat. Candidly, I don't know what I'd do if I was in a mall and someone opened fire, especially with Mrs DoodleBob and youngsters dependent upon me. Maybe I'd rise to the occasion and maybe I'd seek cover. That said, to recommend that NOBODY rush the shooter is wreckless.

71 posted on 05/12/2019 7:31:41 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob

Forget a reasoned response.

This fellow is simply stupid.


72 posted on 05/13/2019 3:15:39 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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