N. Korean Launch Could Possibly Be Ballistic Missile, and UN Resolutions Violation (Photos)

Asahi Shimbun (top Japanese major daily -- in Japanese) ^ | 5 May 2019 | Reporter Takeshi Muta (in Seoul, South Korea)

[dragnet2]

Wow, that first paragraph is pretty much convoluted. So no I wasn’t against him trying to talk to N. Korea however in retrospect I was an ignorant fool to believe that meeting fatboy the madman of the North would result in anything different than what is playing out.

Why does your comment above imply the talks/meeting/negotiations are all over. Do you know something the rest of us don't?

[dragnet2]

So no I wasn’t against him trying to talk to N. Korea however in retrospect I was an ignorant fool to believe that meeting fatboy the madman of the North would result in anything different than what is playing out. There is no hatred in that comment.”

So you initially were supportive of Trump talking to and meeting with a "Madman"? And when did you conclude Kim is a madman? What was it that made you feel like an ignorant fool for being supportive of Trump meeting with him?

[Jarhead9297]

I don’t believe they are over. Far from it. However I do wish they were. This is a change in my stance as things have developed. Talking to them gives them a stage of equivalence and they’ve taken advantage of that.

Not giving them a stage, ignoring them (policy in the past) while on appearance didn’t appear to be working, has produced the same result as taking to them.

I’d rather ignore them now, letting them starve their own people, hoping to invoke an internal revolution, thus keeping them at bay through sanctions and intelligence reporting vs. providing fatboy a stage of equivalence.

Now my mind may change once again if this is a ploy or trap that allows fatboy to hang himself publicly with a rope Trump has provided. These positions are not anti Trump they are reasoned responses to developments as they have played out and so far I’ve proven to be naive believing that talking to fatboy would result in any reaction that differs from historic events of the past.

[dragnet2]

I’d rather ignore them now

Well, I'm glad you're not in charge and Trump is. We've been ignoring North Korea for decades to the point they started launching long range missiles over the sea of Japan prior to Trump.

Trump told you it was better to sit down and talk to them and lets see what happens, and he admitted it might or might not work. Why would you be against that? You'd prefer to continue to ignore them?

[Jarhead9297]

If taking to them produces the same result (which it has thus far) yes I’d rather ignore them and not place them on equal footing with the US. Yes he did say it might or might not work and for that I give him kudos in recognizing that fact and at least giving it a try. But they have shown their cards and they are the same cards as has been provided historically.

My stance at this point is to ignore them into irrelevance once again. Stand on their heads with crippling sanctions that decimate their lands. Engage in full scale intelligence operations and espionage (physical and technological) that targets their attempts at nuclear supremacy. And support any and all actions (secretly) that would stage a coup or result in assassinations that target their upper echelon leaders up to and including their supreme leader.

[dragnet2]

If taking to them produces the same result

What result is that? Launching a low range missile not far off their own shore? Stand on their heads with crippling sanctions that decimate their lands. Engage in full scale intelligence operations and espionage (physical and technological) that targets their attempts at nuclear supremacy. And support any and all actions (secretly) that would stage a coup or result in assassinations that target their upper echelon leaders up to and including their supreme leader.

How clever. But not very original. It sounds like you'd launch a full scale attack...Or might as well.☺

Say, isn't that the kind of thing deep state directed and produced for decades? Undermining, compromising and overthrowing foreign governments/leaders/opponents?

Sound familiar Mr. Jarhead?

[Jarhead9297]

No there’s a stark difference. Deep state is in the business of nation building which equates to never ending government contracts which funds the industrial war complex. I’m not for deep state nation building. North Korea’s leadership is an enemy of America. Not calling and identifying them as the enemy is akin to liberals calling terrorism “freedom fighting”.

Covert espionage is a thing of the past and people become “Squamish” at its mere mention because some think it implies overthrowing “opponents”. NK isn’t a government headed by a “leader”. It’s a rogue nation state headed by a tin pot dictator who is a sworn enemy of the US.

Folks don’t believe in espionage anymore because I don’t think the “intelligence community” has produced anything resembling intelligence for quite sometime. We’ve been on the vicious cycle of nation building.

Hell yes I’m for overthrowing a sworn enemy of a foreign government. Doing so doesn’t mean “full scale attack”. A successful espionage campaign is one that produces its intended result without being able to identify a suspect. Who wants to nation build after fatboy is assassinated? Let the NK people decide how they wish to proceed and pick up the chips where they fall. Appeasement has never worked in history and it won’t work here either

[dragnet2]

Get real. I trust Trump, not you. You want to totally provoke North Korea and clearly want war with North Korea, and I think you always have. You talk like the negotiations/meetings and talks are all over and even suggested that on this thread several times. Where do you get this? Me? I go with Trump and say give it a shot and lets see what happens. Enough of deep states global adventures attempting to provoke and undermine forign countries, most of which are no threat to the U.S. It's been going on for decades. They wrote the book. It's no secret. And right up thread ya say we should ignore North Korea...Then ya turn around and say the following:

Stand on their heads with crippling sanctions that decimate their lands. Engage in full scale intelligence operations and espionage (physical and technological) that targets their attempts at nuclear supremacy. And support any and all actions (secretly) that would stage a coup or result in assassinations that target their upper echelon leaders up to and including their supreme leader.

I just glad you're not in charge of anything.

[Jarhead9297]

Been in charge of people all my life. In the military and also professionally as a VP at the largest financial institution in the world. This isn’t to establish some sense of superiority over the topic at hand but a response to your slander, “I just glad you’re not in charge of anything.” Again you’ve turned to emotional reactions instead of civil discourse. I thought I could MAYBE let bygones be bygones and have a civil discussion of our differences but it’s obvious we cannot without attacks. You imply, assume, slander, use emotion to guide your responses, lie or cannot fully comprehend what I write.

Moving along, I hope you find some sense of joy in your life at some point.

[dragnet2]

A very revealing exchange.

And my honest assessment of you would be inconsistent, unstable, untrustworthy, uncertain and erratic. This is based strictly on your own comments, your own words such as, "I cannot support Trump, to, "I support Trump". And this one, "I support Trump meeting with Kim" to... "I feel like an ignorant fool for supporting Trump meeting with that madman".