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To: NELSON111
Who knows better?-the Vice President of the Confederacy or some people on a blog site 150 years later?

Clearly it is informed people on a blog site 150 years later. Alexander Stephens was a politician, and so what he says isn't necessarily the truth. He is also not in a position to see things as clearly as people who can see the bigger picture drawn from numerous data sources to which he never had access.

Lincoln offered the South all the slavery they could want. Apparently they weren't interested in his offer of permanent slavery, and what they wanted must have been something else.

I think they wanted Independence. Virginia certainly didn't go to war over slavery, and I dare say none of the other states contributed as much to the cause as did the Virginians.

61 posted on 05/03/2019 9:34:24 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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If you’ll read the articles of secession, they make it plain why the offer to let slavery continue in the south was a non-starter for them. They state clearly, that the thing they could not accept was Lincoln’s refusal to let slavery extend into the western states. They said that his refusal to continue the previous practice of bringing in states two-by-two, one slave and one free, would over time upset the balance of power and the slave system would be thereby doomed eventually.

You are right, that the common southern soldier did not fight for slavery, he fought for his state. The leadership, however, is quite clear why they demanded independence. In their own words, the slave system, which they considered an entirely moral system, and more importantly, control of the western territories.


65 posted on 05/03/2019 9:46:33 AM PDT by marron
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To: DiogenesLamp; NELSON111; itsahoot; marron; x; rockrr
NELSON111: "Who knows better?-the Vice President of the Confederacy or some people on a blog site 150 years later?"

DiogenesLamp: "Clearly it is informed people on a blog site 150 years later.
Alexander Stephens was a politician, and so what he says isn't necessarily the truth."

But what DiogenesLamp posts here is never the truth, indeed, you can usually find the truth just by taking the opposite side of DiogenesLamp's posts.

Alexander Stephens was an important Confederate political figure in 1861, selected as Vice President, he expressed Reasons for Secession in terms average citizens of those states could understand & relate to.
Now DiogenesLamp wants us to fantasize with him that those were not the "real reasons", that really, Stephens and other Confederate leaders hid their "real reasons" which had to do more with "Northeastern power brokers" and "money flows from Europe".

But no Confederate leader ever expressed themselves that way, and so we have to tell DiogenesLamp, as politely as possible under the circumstances to, ahem, "go jump in a lake".

DiogenesLamp: "I think they wanted Independence. Virginia certainly didn't go to war over slavery, and I dare say none of the other states contributed as much to the cause as did the Virginians."

Virginia was the first state for whom their declaration of secession was simultaneously effectively a declaration of war on the United States.
The war did not start over slavery, but over Fort Sumter and Lincoln's call for 75,000 troops to suppress rebellion.
But slavery was behind secession and abolition soon enough became the Union's rallying cry.

Lots of fools & liars here.
503 posted on 05/05/2019 11:44:01 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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